Humans' 10,000-Year Warming Habit

BBC ^ | 12-10-2003 | Richard Black

[blam]

Global warming ping.

[samtheman]

Hmmm. Sounds like this subject needs more study. Which is what Bush has been saying all along. Duh!

[GungaLaGunga]

6-8" of global warming expected here in Cleveland tonight.

[discostu]

We know from Roman documentation of farming in Europe that is has gotten colder in at least the last 2000 years. Once again the global warmers are just nutty.

[Bikers4Bush]

I knew it was the faults of the damn farmers. (Sarcasm of course)

[ClearCase_guy]

We definitely need to return to hunting and gathering. Well, gathering anyway. Then the world will be a better place. This agricultural crap is killing the planet!

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.

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[LiteKeeper]

Agriculture often replaces natural vegetation. How can there be a significant shift in the balance then?

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[polemikos]

this 10,000-year warming added almost a degree Celsius to the global average temperature.

Run for the hills! The sky is falling. The sky is falling!

[AppyPappy]

The Earth is always getting warmer except when it is getting cooler.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!

[Bernard Marx]

Agriculture often replaces natural vegetation. How can there be a significant shift in the balance then?

My question exactly. Of course the replacement of natural or agricultural vegetation with asphalt and concrete might have some long term effect (mainly on the global warmers' temperature gauges), but cities really represent a tiny percentage of the world's total area.

[farmfriend]

Consider yourself added. If you ever change your mind, or I get you on the wrong list, just let me know.

[ClearCase_guy]

Well, I think the whole GW thing is crap, but I think I can explain part of this thinking. Let me cover animals first. In a state of nature there are X number of cattle on the planet. They pass methane, which is a greenhouse gas. Now, with humans and modern farming methods, the number of cattle on the planet is probably "X times 10,000" and the amount of methane is increased "beyond what is natural".

Just so, with agriculture. If you clear an acre of forest, and plant an acre of corn and harvest and re-grow it annually, I would think that the impact on CO2 levels would be "beyond what is natural".

Let me be clear: I don't think any of this matters. The sun warms the plant. End of discussion. But I think it is still OK to say that human agriculture can have a greater impact than natural vegetation.

[talleyman]

See? Global warming good! Heat makes things expand - that's why the days get longer in the summer!

[ClearCase_guy]

Although the sun does "warm the plant" I meant to say the sun "warms the Planet".

[elli1]

ah ha! Hear this vegetarians? Vegetables are the cause of global warming.

[Always Right]

Glaciers covered much of what is now the midwestern section of the US 20,000 years ago. 10,000 years ago these glaciers were gone. Did man do that too????