Posted on 03/09/2004 4:04:42 PM PST by blam
There is a Caucasian mummy named "The Beauty Of Loulan," from this area, whose face the Ugyhars have reconstructed and now call here the 'mother of their country' and here image appears on various state documents and flags.
I will post images of 'The Beauty Of Loulan' and an article (The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy) about the other mummies from this area.
The Beauty Of Loulan
I'm worried about the secrecy of the Chinese and their insistence that their culture was not influenced by 'outsiders'. They withheld the DNA material extracted from the mummies by Victor Mair and his colleagues. The mummies themselves were accidently found in the unlighted backroom of a museum by Mair.
Yeah, I'm somewhat wary of Chinese archaeological claims because of that type of issue. As you may know there's also been a problem with Chinese fossil dealers selling fake "earliest known bird" skeletons:
Yup. I'm aware of that.
Is this the map you were trying to post, showing a yellow band running from the Beijing area through the Asian steppes into the Balkans:
http://library.thinkquest.org/J003409/media/!map.jpe?tqskip1=1
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I'm assuming the yellow band shows where mummies of various sorts have been found? If so that's quite interesting, as the yellow area is the same band through which some authors (e.g. Carlo Ginzburg in Ecstasies) have argued that Asian shamanic influence penetrated Europe via the Scythians, and presumably other steppe peoples would've used this same route as well.
That said, we can hope they will not slant and/or repress data. Also, they are not so quick to attack the findings in other Asian countries. Their big concern at present is that archaeological discoveries not get in the way of business (ie. Three Gorges Dam). You would get quite ill thinking about what will be lost under the Three Gorges lake.
Yes, that is the one I posted....it has disappeared for me too. Remember last week we were discussing Keremchi (the drug-dealers, lol)...I believe it is in the yellow shaded area up above the word 'Mongolia' (on the map). There were/are Caucasians all through that area in ancient times.
I tend to agree.
"You would get quite ill thinking about what will be lost under the Three Gorges lake."
I can imagine. Well, we'll have another catastrophic event in the future that will put the world into another Dark Ages, the dam will break and be forgotten and archaeologists 10k years from now will be looking into the 'bottom' of the ex-lake and find what's there...
Could be. I don't 'do' witches and such. I will add that I've read that the Han Emperors had red-headed men as their 'magic' men. (Whatever a 'magic' man is.)
I saved it in case it disappears again--LOL!
Remember last week we were discussing Keremchi (the drug-dealers, lol)...I believe it is in the yellow shaded area up above the word 'Mongolia' (on the map). There were/are Caucasians all through that area in ancient times.
Okay--interesting.
Could be. I don't 'do' witches and such.
LOL! Unfortunately I can't find a good summary review online, though a friend of mine from the History Department at U-Kentucky has written one I have a hard copy of. To sum up, Ginzburg's basic argument--building on Mircea Eliade's studies of Siberian shamanism--is that certain motifs in medieval witchcraft can also be found in Siberian shamanism, with the most likely route of transmission being from the Scythians via the Celts and the cult of Diana in Roman-influenced Celtic areas.
I will add that I've read that the Han Emperors had red-headed men as their 'magic' men. (Whatever a 'magic' man is.)
I don't know much about Han practices, but I'll look it up. I do know there's a heavy streak of shamanic magic in both Tibetan Buddhism and Chinese Taoism which are often classified as akin to Siberian shamanism. There's some information on this in the above-referenced Mircea Eliade, Shamanism:
First published in 1951, Shamanism soon became the standard work in the study of this mysterious and fascinating phenomenon. Writing as the founder of the modern study of the history of religion, Romanian émigré--scholar Mircea Eliade (1907-1986) surveys the practice of Shamanism over two and a half millennia of human history, moving from the Shamanic traditions of Siberia and Central Asia--where Shamanism was first observed--to North and South America, Indonesia, Tibet, China, and beyond. In this authoritative survey, Eliade illuminates the magico-religious life of societies that give primacy of place to the figure of the Shaman--at once magician and medicine man, healer and miracle-doer, priest, mystic, and poet. Synthesizing the approaches of psychology, sociology, and ethnology, Shamanism will remain for years to come the reference book of choice for those intrigued by this practice.
Yup. Just a short way down the road from the Jade Gate at Dunhuang in the Great Wall Of China.
BTW, it's pronounced Rouran in Chinese, really.
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