Ancient Map Shows Egg-Shaped England

The Guardian (UK) ^ | 6-6-2004 | Vanessa Thorpe

[Rebelbase]

Eggsackly.

[montag813]

Who gives a crap that the Muslims knew about England 1000 years after the Romans not only also did but had conquered them. The Brits will do anything to prop up the myth of a great Muslim renaissance. It is all BS.

[par4]

earliest representation of an identified 'England'

I believe that the furor is because of the use of "England" to identify the island, not the pictorial representation as a place. I'm sure that Roman maps used the Roman names.

[aculeus]

[FreedomCalls]

The map is more than the conquest. Celts conquered Britain in 500 BCE and they knew too that it was island, but they did not have civilization to produce maps.

Are you saying that Britain was never depicted on a Roman map? Or that Rome did not have sufficient civilization to produce maps?

[FreedomCalls]

I believe that the furor is because of the use of "England" to identify the island

That name would have come about only after the invasion of Britain by the Angles (along with the Saxons and the Jutes) from Denmark in the Fifth Century. The use of the name some five or six centuries later again merits a "so what?" BFD.

If it wasn't an "Islamic" map, no one would have mentioned it.

[blam]

"I believe that the furor is because of the use of "England" to identify the island, not the pictorial representation as a place. I'm sure that Roman maps used the Roman names."

Thank you. Whew, 43rd post and someone 'gets it.'

[par4]

All you had to do was read the line carefully and look at the punctuation. Most people read too fast and only see what they want to see.

The egg-shaped reference everyone hooked onto only shows how little detail the Arabs had, as if "England" was a newly discovered area, all the way on the other side of the earth.

[PoorMuttly]

Uh-oh. The Venerable Muttly thinks he ate England this morning.

Not to worry, though. I have 11 more left!

(I wondered what happened to sciencediet. Muttlies relate everything to food, you know. I thought they would come for my kibble next. Whew.)

[Lady Jag]

Fear not. I can't to give away any trade secrets, but sciencediet is still being made.

[PoorMuttly]

Excellent.

Tomorrow, when I eat another England, I will put the kibble on top, for a change. I'm sure Science Diet contains it too...or it wouldn't grow my Attack Cats so big.

[Constitution Day]

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

[AndrewC]

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Goo-goo-ga-joob!

[eleni121]

How simplistic to speak of an "Islamic golden age" - especially because it never actually existed! Muslims have been good at doing one thing: conquering and stealing other cultures' legacies while pillaging and forcibly converting.

Egypt was civilized and literate long before the hordes of Arab Muslims conquered it and appropriated the treasures that had been there for thousands of years before their brutish intrusions.

[SunkenCiv]

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