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Jolted workers rethink life's basics
Dallas Morning News ^ | June 26, 2004 | KATHERINE YUNG

Posted on 06/27/2004 4:52:11 AM PDT by neutrino

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To: Porterville
Okay, what don't I know about?

I am sure a whole WHOLE lot. I don't want to be here a month of Sundays point out things in minute detail though...

If America is producing capital at the highest levels in history then we are kicking as all round. Per worker production, in terms of cash continues to build; what part of that don't you understand?

How is ensuring property rights of 3rd worlders in terms of real capital hurting the American producer? How is the American producer doing worse, when they continue to earn real power and liberty in their choice?

Can you ask those questions in English please? One at a time.

121 posted on 06/27/2004 1:59:59 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
By increasing the property rights of individuals in America and all over the world power is siphoned from the centralized government. Weak despotic nations cannot control the power of individual wealth and will continue to lose the ability to contain their state-companies. Reform will be the end result.

In America, continued growth leads to innovation; near-commodity goods supplements current investments allowing for the "time" to explore new ideas. Time is spent on creation rather than survival- sort of like artisans, in fact, I bet it can be argued we are an artisan society today.

122 posted on 06/27/2004 2:02:34 PM PDT by Porterville (Fight Communism, vote Republican- and piss on france)
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To: Cronos
But they don't -- they like the profits she gives them.

They don't because they can't. Take a hard look at your next proxy; it doesn't have a choice for "fire the CEO."

123 posted on 06/27/2004 2:05:35 PM PDT by neutrino (Against stupidity the very Gods themselves contend in vain.)
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To: Porterville

Not even worth a reply...


124 posted on 06/27/2004 2:12:26 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii

Okay, you have no point or you believe the production of tennis shoes in China and the scritping of code in India will somehow break the US economy.

What you believe in is what is called "Chicken Little Economics"


125 posted on 06/27/2004 2:16:21 PM PDT by Porterville (Fight Communism, vote Republican- and piss on france)
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To: Xenalyte
Ahem. Perhaps Princess can get a job herself and put her own butt through college.

For that matter, why should she go to college? Really, she'd be better off learning some useful skill like bar-tending, or waiting tables, or being a pastry chef.

If she goes to college, the job will be sent to China or India anyway.

Of course, that means that we as a nation won't have any technical skills to draw on...but, what the hey, right?

126 posted on 06/27/2004 2:18:47 PM PDT by neutrino (Against stupidity the very Gods themselves contend in vain.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Good to hear Coke and Pepsi are doing so well. I'll email US Trade Representative Robert Zoellick that he was mistaken

Sure, you do that.
127 posted on 06/27/2004 2:35:10 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: neutrino

I didn't say college was unnecessary. I said that if she wants it, she can help pay for it, or pay for the whole thing.


128 posted on 06/27/2004 2:38:41 PM PDT by Xenalyte (This dog bite me.)
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To: Cronos
RE: "For companies with less than 50 workers, they wouldn't outsource -- it wouldnt' make economic sense."

I suppose it's useless to ask for sources beyond your own feelings.

Not clear in the story I quoted is the data used fall under a category BLS calls "extended mass layoffs," which reflect job losses at companies employing at least 50 workers where at least 50 workers filed for unemployment in a five-week period and the layoff lasted more than 30 days.

I'm not a businessman. You never outsource before reaching 50 employees? Once there if you're going to out source you do it blocks of fifty or more in five weeks or less, I suppose.

This Washington Post article (below) also questions the data along with several other skeptics. One made a good point, what if the data were 100 percent true, nevertheless "When a company is expanding and creating jobs in Singapore rather than San Jose, that's also outsourcing."

None said, "Oh well, companies with fewer than 50 employees are just too small to outsource. The BLS is correct"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A33998-2004Jun11?language=printer

That brings up another hindrance to the argument. Was a job lost to off shore without first having an American lose that specific job? I've seen that nuance in the debate over offshoring.

129 posted on 06/27/2004 2:45:11 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Old Professer
If I were drunk it might explain the incomprehensibility of many posters here.

Alllrite, I'll bite. How was my original post incomprehensible? I just don't be a gettin' the luddite part, either. Please preach to the class.

130 posted on 06/27/2004 2:47:21 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: searchandrecovery

Manual labor versus machine; have you Googled Luddite?


131 posted on 06/27/2004 2:49:58 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: Xenalyte
I said that if she wants it, she can help pay for it, or pay for the whole thing.

Yes...she can even join the military to gain tuition benefits.

There are a great many things we can do if we must. But do we really want to see how austere a life we can endure? Wouldn't it be better to protect America and Americans? I think it would.

132 posted on 06/27/2004 2:55:27 PM PDT by neutrino (Against stupidity the very Gods themselves contend in vain.)
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To: Old Professer
Manual labor versus machine; have you Googled Luddite?

Huh? In my post I was pro-machina (having a factory spewing out 12 miles of glass, run by 20 people, is a Good Thing). Are you advocating manual labor over technology? Why not just say what's on your mind? Go ahead, you can do it.

133 posted on 06/27/2004 2:55:56 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: TalBlack

That sow is a piece of work. I don't buy H-P no matter what the price.


134 posted on 06/27/2004 3:01:26 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "Who is this King of Glory? The Lord strong and mighty, invincible in battle.")
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To: csvset; neutrino

4 - "Most of the men he worked with hadn't gone to college
OMG! The poor man, having to associate with the dregs of society! /sarcasm"

You missed the whole point. What a waste of an education and experience. People are our major resources, so wasting these resources is just plain stupid.


135 posted on 06/27/2004 3:59:50 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: Old Professer
He isn't a rebel at all, he is best described as the pissed-off feminist who follows you through a revolving door.

And you accuse others of being incomprehensible - hahahahahahah. Nice post. How very articulate. Let me guess, you're an English professor? Bwahahahahahahahaha. Have you Googled Humor?

136 posted on 06/27/2004 4:23:09 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: vanmorrison

5 - "What happened to the employees of the candle-makers, the buggy-whip companies, and the astrologers? Oh, wait, they're still here, but in fewer numbers"

Well, let's just outsource your job too, it's obsolete.


137 posted on 06/27/2004 4:26:39 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: Poundstone

19 - LOL - "When I read horror stories like these, I again thank God I'm a federal government employee. We're not getting rich, but at least we've got job security and pretty good benefits, including a fully-funded pension program and the best health care program around -- and the latter is included in our retirement package. Every time I read stories like this, I know I made the right decision when I started my government career over 20 years ago."

Just wait a few more years. They have spent your pension fund already, and it is going to be worth zilch shortly, when they devalue the currency. Timeframe - 2008-12.


138 posted on 06/27/2004 4:37:13 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: schu

we find it hard to find people... no wait we find it hard to find GOOD people at the moment. the IT market is on the upswing but the quality of many applicants isnt up to scratch, and people have learned its better to turn down work than try performing it with bad resources. it costs you more to fix in the end.


139 posted on 06/27/2004 4:43:45 PM PDT by sweneop
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

47 - You've nailed down the free-traitor profiteers pretty well there:

"As long as there are enough young, patriotic Americans to enlist and fight to protect them they will continue to loot America and profit -- oh, and BTW, those young Americans have no right to a job when they return from war. "

Let's turn the guns on the free-traitors.


140 posted on 06/27/2004 5:45:01 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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