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Pope Denounces'Imbalance' of Wealth
El Paso Times ^ | Sep 26, 9:35 AM EDT | AP

Posted on 09/26/2004 8:30:20 AM PDT by FITZ

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The Pope Kissing The Qu'ran


Here is a photo of the Pope at the end of an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq where "the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Qu'ran presented to him by the delegation and kissed it as a sign of respect".

61 posted on 09/26/2004 9:09:10 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 37 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: Happy2BMe

I'll not be so quick to criticize this great man. He helped win the Cold War. Can he help us find peace today? I don't know. I don't want to put it past him.


62 posted on 09/26/2004 9:13:10 AM PDT by risk
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To: FITZ
I wonder what happened to this Pope's anti-Communist stance. It's sad to see all this happen to him.

Don't fall into the trap of choosing the "lesser of two evils" just because they look like polar opposites, FITZ. Remember, Karl Marx and Ayn Rand were both atheists.

Pursuit of Liberty: Rerum Novarum. 16-30, The Church, the Rich, and the Poor

63 posted on 09/26/2004 9:13:49 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: FITZ

Wealth is only a measure of dynamics between people. Real wealth is created by extension of trust, and in the extension of that trust, reaping rewards from the initiative shown by others. That is why banks, insurance companies and mutual funds pile up huge portfolios.

Wealth may be as easily dissipated as accumulated, through imprudent management. Or wealth may be accumulated through grasping and dishonest means, but this is not a true wealth, as the rewards were not shared. Where the error comes, is that wealth acquired through dishonest means is equated with wealth earned through trustful stewardship of even small accumulations of savings, which are used to build further growing circles of trust and reliability.

Because some wealth is acquired by dishonest means, all wealth is held to be suspect in nature, when this is not true. There is good wealth, applied for the betterment of one's fellow man, that does not diminish, but grows and redoubles over time.


64 posted on 09/26/2004 9:14:02 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: FITZ
Converted from "Democrats Idea of aproperous economy.txt"

Kerry's Idea of properous economy:

Once upon a time, there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbours and said, "If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?"

"Not I," said the cow.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the goose.

"Then I will", said the little red hen, and she did. The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," said the duck.
"Out of my classification," said the pig. "I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.
"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did. At last it came time to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake the bread?" asked the little red hen.

"That would be overtime for me," said the cow. "I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck. "I'm a dropout and never learnt how," said the pig. "If I'm the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen. She baked five loaves and held them up for her neighbours to see. They all wanted - in fact demanded a share. But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the loaves by myself."

"Excess profits!" yelled the cow.
"Capitalist leech!" yelled the duck.
"I demand equal rights!" shouted the goose.

The pig just grunted. Then they hurriedly painted "unfair" picket signs and marched around, shouting obscenities. The government agent came and said to the little red hen: "You must not be greedy." "But I earned the bread," said the little red hen. "Exactly," said the agent. That is the wonderful free-enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under government regulations, the productive workers must divide their product with the idle."

They all lived happily ever after. But the little red hen's neighbours wondered why she never again baked bread.



65 posted on 09/26/2004 9:14:24 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: Kristian
I am a catholic, I would suggest to the POPE that he sells the VATICAN treasures, get rid of all silver and gold in catholic churches, and also ,before lecturing us on any matters, that the church STOPS the children abuses.

I have not set foot in a catholic church for decades, their hypocrisy is sickening.

No, you're not a Catholic: you're an ex-Catholic.

You have no idea what you're talking about if you stopped practicing at the age of twelve and haven't been back in decades.

You are the classic example of the ex-Catholic who hates the Church more that any non-Catholic could even imagine hating the Church.

Expressing your hatred of the Church is your right, but don't expect practicing, knowledgeable, devoted Catholics to take you seriously.

66 posted on 09/26/2004 9:14:46 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Sometimes these brain cells have a mind of their own.)
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To: FITZ

Then liquidate the Vatican's Billions and spread it around the world, but don't go sharing the socialist/communist agenda ex cathedra.


68 posted on 09/26/2004 9:15:50 AM PDT by Blogger (The only difference between Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore is about 300 pounds)
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To: Happy2BMe
I can just see a Muslim 527 group using that footage for an ad now:

"Pope John Paul endorses our Holy cause" .....


69 posted on 09/26/2004 9:17:31 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: risk

That even actually occurred. Whatever motive was going through hime when he did it, I don't know - but he did KISS THE KORAN.


70 posted on 09/26/2004 9:18:04 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 37 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: Kristian
I was comfirmed, did my first communion, dressed in white...went to church each sunday until the age of twelve.

Went to cathechism every thursday afternoon.until the age of twelve.

Then you were Catholic until the age of twelve.

72 posted on 09/26/2004 9:22:54 AM PDT by woofer
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To: Slings and Arrows
> John Paul II is a good and great man, but he knows economics like Milton Friedman knows Catholic theology.

Not so good, not so great.... one of the worst popes in centuries. Has spent his entire pontificate accelerating the destruction of the Church that began with Vatican II. Good on pro-life issues, but that's about it.

73 posted on 09/26/2004 9:25:34 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Logic n' Reason

Unfortunate that this man has it so wrong when it comes to economics.

That said, the leadership of any Christian denomination...should get rid of the trappings of wealth and humble themselves...this would send the right message to all those contemplating becoming Christians.


74 posted on 09/26/2004 9:27:09 AM PDT by eleni121 (Thank God for John Ashcroft!)
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To: Happy2BMe
The object he kissed at that moment to him must have represented the highest aspirations of its believers, not their shortcomings, and not their mistaken ideas of what those aspirations should be -- or even the text within it. He was kissing a symbol of their desire to find the right aspirations. I'm sure he was not approving of Islam or accepting any of the teachings. Watch The Shoes of the Fisherman sometime with Anthony Quinn. The pope literally saves the world from nuclear holocaust. It's quite a fictional story, but it illustrates the passion a pope can have for finding common spiritual ground among peoples.

I don't have that sort of faith myself, but I admire those who do.

75 posted on 09/26/2004 9:28:12 AM PDT by risk
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To: Kristian
could tell me what is hypocritical about my post ?

You call yourself a "catholic", yet you excommunicated yourself decades ago.
If you were ever educated in the Catholic faith, you know this is true.
You are a hypocrit.

76 posted on 09/26/2004 9:29:09 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: FITZ
Has anybody ever visited the Vatican? They don't exactly live in mud huts there. Let's just say that the disparity of wealth between those who potificate from the Vatican and the typical Catholic worshipper is much greater than the gulf that separates Bill Gates from the typical Microsoft employee.
77 posted on 09/26/2004 9:29:11 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Hurricane Season is Over)
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To: Kornev

yeah it is disheartening. The church is supposed to help to poor. If we use world communism instead, then we dont need a church do we.


78 posted on 09/26/2004 9:29:16 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Lucky Lyn; Logic n' Reason
Logic n' Reason: "The particular church he "leads" is the richest on earth".

Lucky Lyn: And in most cases its the poorest people thats donating funds to that church

I read on CatholicAnswers.com the claim that the Vatican is not as wealthy as is commonly claimed; that its annual budget is similar to that of the Archdiocese of Chicago. I presume this figure doesn't count the extraordinary artistic treasures at the Vatican, but I guess that these do not produce income.

80 posted on 09/26/2004 9:30:15 AM PDT by megatherium
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