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Armstrong Williams Shills for Bush Regime
CONSPIRACY PLANET ^ | Friday, January 7, 2005 | unk

Posted on 01/07/2005 4:53:01 PM PST by Chi-townChief

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To: rave123
Armstrong Williams is a good guy. And don't forget a black conservative republican. That makes him a huge target. I will be very surprised if this whole thing is any more than a big mistake. Or even a small one.
21 posted on 01/07/2005 5:33:59 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First let's get rid of the UN and then the ACLU, or vice versa..)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

What law was broken?


22 posted on 01/07/2005 5:40:07 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Chi-townChief
He did not directly answer when asked whether the White House approved of the practice, saying it was a department matter.

This is garbage.

23 posted on 01/07/2005 5:43:59 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained.)
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To: Miss Marple
Seems like an honest mistake to me, if what Williams says is true.

Oh yes, honest mistake. But heck, it's only $240,000. Compared to the $28 billion of tax dollars wasted on yet another big-government program that won't do what it's promised (like any of them ever have), what's an extra quarter million?

Now I would ask why the MSM isn't outraged by Paul Krugman's taking money from Enron while writing columns for the New York Times promoting that corporation?

That's the 'conservative' spirit!! They did it, so why can't we? Who cares about holding oneself to a higher standard? Republicans have yet lowered another bar by basing the argument on the level of corruption. That's real good.

I was PO'd about this earlier today, but now that I have additional information I am not so sure.

About the fact that the national government, under 'conservative' leadership, is continuing to expand the government's role (and size) at rates not seen since Lyndon Johnson? Or just the fact that they paid someone to sell it as a good idea for them?

24 posted on 01/07/2005 5:46:42 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I don't know that any law was broken.

Have our standards declined that far? An act is either felonious or irreproachable? Nothing may be criticized unless it may be prosecuted?

What a depressing time to be alive.


25 posted on 01/07/2005 5:48:11 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (We're none of us prefect.)
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To: Chi-townChief
Where is the Barf Alert?

This is a digusting Article

26 posted on 01/07/2005 5:52:13 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: mlc9852
Personally I am offended by all television or radio commercial that are underwritten by the US taxpayers. And I hear them constantly. Exactly how many druggies have said "Oh, now I understand taking drugs is bad for me" after hearing a Partnership for Drug Free America Commercial or who has quit smoking after hearing about how bad it is from the Surgeon General of the US??? I bet if we knew the cost of these ads, per person saved, we'd be outraged.
27 posted on 01/07/2005 5:54:54 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: Chi-townChief

I really don't give a rip whether or not Armstrong Williams got paid to support NCLB or not. The only reason this comes up at all is so that Henry Waxman can piss away another couple million dollars of our hard-earned money blowing smoke up the public's collective skirt. That being said, it is a pretty cheesy deal to make on the part of Mr. Williams. He should have known better than that.

It goes without saying that such levels of racism would never get this kind of a pass if the shoe was on the other foot. Then again, it looks to me like that site is some tinfoil lefty place. Recall, of course, that NCLB was initiated by Ted Kennedy, advanced by Rod Paige, a Democrat, and ultimately signed by Bush. It was only after Bush co-opted the dems that they whined about NCLB (an, apparently on that kook site, insinuate some proto-fascistic context).

I thought it was pretty funny that ethics lady thought the government had outlawed propaganda. Anyone with half a brain knows that the government actually funds propaganda. Note that Bill Moyers was paid directly from taxpayer funds for three decades. Likewise, let us look to the rest of PBS and NPR. Delving deeper, we also discover that the vast majority of programming fed to our soldiers overseas via VOA or AFR-TV is left-wing, save for one hour of Limbaugh. Lastly, we still have that stupid "Ad Council", a government entity that buys airtime on media to promote various things. God only knows how much that costs.


28 posted on 01/07/2005 6:21:21 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: billbears
I was addressing Armstrong Williams' culpability, not the government's.

I do not think that the government should be paying PR firms. If they believe in a program, then they need to send their own people out to promote it. This would not cost us an additional money.

29 posted on 01/07/2005 6:21:37 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

I'm with you there, ma'am. Like I said, it was a cheesy way to make a buck.

Those "Ad Council" things make me cringe every time I see one.


30 posted on 01/07/2005 6:41:18 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: anniegetyourgun

I'm sure I've read somewhere that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (among others) have done the same thing for the dems. Guess it's "different" when a conservative does it?

That said, I have to wonder, what on earth was he thinking? This is sad--he's lost his syndication, he's lost a lot over this.

(Yet, no matter what the Sharptons and the Jacksons have done, and been caught doing, they waltz along as before...)


32 posted on 01/07/2005 6:44:42 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Chi-townChief

I agree that the Dept. of Education and Armstrong screwed up.

The solution: abolish the Dept. of Education. Should have been done long ago.


33 posted on 01/07/2005 6:47:29 PM PST by jackbill
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To: 1iron

"Armstrong said he regrets the poor decision, and would not make that decision again."

Did he return the dough?


34 posted on 01/07/2005 6:47:30 PM PST by RWCon (P)
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To: rodguy911

Of course not. The media is just playing it up to try to make Bush look like he practically had to bribe Armstrong Williams. And maybe Mr. Williams believes in the NCLB Act. It does have a lot of good intentions. I'd just be curious to know how it came out now. Not that it really matters, I don't think it's any big deal.


35 posted on 01/07/2005 6:47:31 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: billbears
That's the 'conservative' spirit!! They did it, so why can't we?

Thank you. And, anyone here who believes the president was not even remotely consulted on an action by the DOE should not even be allowed to sign their own name let alone vote.

36 posted on 01/07/2005 6:50:36 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
I don't know that any law was broken.

Reminds me of the "no controlling legal authority" argument.

37 posted on 01/07/2005 7:04:50 PM PST by skip_intro (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: ShadowDancer
So, you think that in the middle of invading Iraq, pushing tax reform through the Congress, and running for re-election, President Bush sat down with Rod Paige and went over the contract with the PR firm the DOE hired, and then went over the proposal the the PR firm made to Williams?

Okey-dokey.

38 posted on 01/07/2005 7:06:08 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
So, you think that in the middle of invading Iraq, pushing tax reform through the Congress, and running for re-election, President Bush sat down with Rod Paige and went over the contract with the PR firm the DOE hired, and then went over the proposal the the PR firm made to Williams?

Who was it that had a sign on their desk 'the buck stops here'? Truman? Sad that a Democrat has to teach Republicans about responsibility. I don't care what was going on, the buck always stops at the top. Of course, considering the Republican party was the original party of big government, at least it's good to see they're returning to their roots, and the most ardent supporters are defending their actions. 'Conservatism' at its finest...

And yet not five posts earlier you state this 'gem' of wisdom...

I do not think that the government should be paying PR firms. If they believe in a program, then they need to send their own people out to promote it. This would not cost us an additional money.?

Who exactly do you think pays for the administration's 'own people'? The tooth fairy? Do you honestly believe so strongly in the Republican party that you think they're somehow above hiring a couple dozen additional 'consultants' to spread this message of 'hope'? One way or another money was going to be spent telling the citizens of the respective states this was a good idea. Might as well toss a quarter of a million dollars towards Williams than adding yet another useless agency or increasing another to tell us how $28 billion tax dollars won't really be wasted....

39 posted on 01/07/2005 7:17:30 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Miss Marple

Yep, and if you think he can't handle that you should have never voted for him lady.


40 posted on 01/07/2005 7:18:30 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained.)
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