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RODNEY PAIGE, ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, AND THE "PAY TO PANDER" SCANDAL
Author website ^ | Jan. 07, 2005 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 01/08/2005 11:07:44 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage

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To: dirtboy
I see your point but it just seems like an incredible
double standard. One set of rules for us and another for them. When do we get a level playing field?
61 posted on 01/08/2005 12:57:37 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First let's get rid of the UN and then the ACLU, or vice versa..)
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To: dirtboy
"If any part of this contract involved a requirement to plug the program on TV pundit appearances or in columns, that to me is a serious ethical breach..."

Aye, but we need to establish the degree of the breach. Was the $240,000 all spent to buy his opinion, or were 4 TV commercials legitimately delivered through his company?

62 posted on 01/08/2005 12:58:17 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rodguy911
One set of rules for us and another for them. When do we get a level playing field?

They get to wallow like pigs in the stye of their moral relativity.

We win the elections.

I'm not complaining well, at least not too much...

63 posted on 01/08/2005 12:59:57 PM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: T.L.Sink
There's nothing better than being BRIBED TO VOTE YOUR CONVICTIONS.

I disagree. The money he takes in diminishes his credibility.

If I say "I'm a computer analyst and I say that Microsoft Doesn't Suck" - do you believe me?

If I say "I'm a computer analyst and Microsoft pays me to say that Microsoft Doesn't Suck" - do you believe me?

64 posted on 01/08/2005 1:00:42 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Southack
Aye, but we need to establish the degree of the breach.

I disagree. If ten bucks were paid for punditry, it IMO would be a serious ethical breach.

65 posted on 01/08/2005 1:00:46 PM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: Izzy Dunne
If I say "I'm a computer analyst and Microsoft pays me to say that Microsoft Doesn't Suck" - do you believe me?

I wouldn't believe you one way or the other... :^)

66 posted on 01/08/2005 1:01:20 PM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: dirtboy

Good analysis you are right.


67 posted on 01/08/2005 1:01:53 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First let's get rid of the UN and then the ACLU, or vice versa..)
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To: Petronski

Agreed. He's got a business, but he could have separated the PR aspects from his punditry. Wow, I just like it when conservative can catch liberals doing this.


68 posted on 01/08/2005 1:02:57 PM PST by gogipper
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To: dirtboy
"I disagree. If ten bucks were paid for punditry, it IMO would be a serious ethical breach."

That's no disagreement. If Armstrong's contract specified that he was to give his own voice to a specific opinion for hire, then obviously it would be an ethical violation to fail to disclose that you are on someone's payroll...however, it would be an even greater sin if the contract said "deliver us 4 TV commercials" that never got delivered...with both parties to said contract winking and nudging, knowing that an opinion was being purchased on the sly.

If Armstrong delivered the 4 TV commercials, then that part of the deal was legit and needs no disclosure, on the other hand.

Then we would merely need to establish if his contract for those 4 commercials also specified that he was to give voice to a specific opinion.

69 posted on 01/08/2005 1:07:55 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Yeah get that filty republican blood money out of politics. /sarc


70 posted on 01/08/2005 1:16:28 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: cyborg

Conservatives start circling like sharks when they smell another conservative's blood. They Dims love it. They sit back and laugh while we tear each other apart.


71 posted on 01/08/2005 1:19:04 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes!


72 posted on 01/08/2005 1:36:04 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: jsbankston

"The Conservative Media now must out a Journalist who took Federal Funds from the Clinton Administration to promote a policy of that Regime.
I am sure if the current administration has done this that the Clinton Regime must have done the same thing a hundred times.

We just have to find the transgression and neutralize the impact of this current story."



Oh, OK, I get it.

Let's just flood the air with squeels of "See, they did it too, so it OK if we did it..."

Sorry Chief, but that stuff didn't fly in Kindergarden, and it ain't gonna fly now.

If the Administration wants to tout its Ethics and such, it needs to take responsibility for lapses in those ethics, and since Dubya is the Head of this administration, then what happens on his watch, is his responsibility.

"The Buck stops here"

Face it, if this had been a Clinton Cabinet member who authorized this, the sound of the nashing of teeth from this place would still be echoing.


73 posted on 01/08/2005 1:44:34 PM PST by Lord_Baltar
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To: Lord_Baltar

"Face it, if this had been a Clinton Cabinet member who authorized this, the sound of the nashing of teeth from this place would still be echoing."

This is 2 now in what a week? Bernie Karik. This administration better start paying attention to their "own". Look at all the problems they've had from the Clinton holdovers, Clark, Tenent, Minetta. WHY didn't they get rid of these people?


74 posted on 01/08/2005 1:58:18 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
I don't recall mentioning anything about "disclosure" anywhere except in reply to you. If I'm wrong, point it out.

Good. So then what do you object to about what Armstrong did?

75 posted on 01/08/2005 2:18:28 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Link

What's wrong with Armstrong getting paid for doing something he believes in? Why is that unethical?

The complaint sounds liberal to me.

76 posted on 01/08/2005 2:23:39 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: JustAnotherSavage

I love Michelle but she's wrong on this one. The person who thought this up should be fired but Armstrong is a commentator and I couldn't care less what his motives in pushing a point of view are. It's views that count not the motive. If Armstrong were a strait reporter representing himself as presenting straight news I would think differently.

77 posted on 01/08/2005 2:53:57 PM PST by rcocean
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To: rodguy911
Williams is being singled out because he is black and conservative, end of story.

Oh. So there is nothing wrong with taxpayer funds being misappropriated to spend bribing people to advance Administration policy. But I'll bet you find lots wrong with stuff the socialists do.

It also follows from what you say, that if a white conservative were caught taking bribes from the Bush Administration, there would be no scandal.

Is it pleasant, living without logic or moral principles?

78 posted on 01/08/2005 3:45:43 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Petronski
Even the greatest minds have ethical blindspots and make mistakes, but it is hard to imagine an ethical lapse more sublimely destructive to the reputation of a movement than this is.

Yeah, but Armstrong Williams was never a great mind, to begin with. For years, I've been as interested in reading his columns as I have that hack, Mona Charen's.

79 posted on 01/08/2005 3:49:25 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: cyborg
Malkin is one to be talking about getting paid. I like her but she's wrong.

What are you talking about, cy? It sounds like you are saying that Malkin is on the take. If so, please back up your charge or clean up your language.

80 posted on 01/08/2005 3:51:36 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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