Archaeologist Unearths Bibical Controversy

Globe And Mail ^ | 1-25-2005 | Michael Valpy

[PFC]

Archaelogists have unearthed a site they believe to be ancient Troy - it matches the description given by Homer. Should this be used as proof that the Olympians were real gods?

[R. Scott]

This kind of bickering accomplished little. The dispute of the minimalists is (in my opinion) a waste of time and energy.

…so David and Solomon, rather than being mighty monarchs, were mere petty chieftains.

One people’s Mighty Monarch is another’s petty chieftain. Where is the line drawn? Is it in square miles of controlled territory, population, and accumulated wealth? If so, what is the demarcation?

Their findings mean that those scholars convinced that the Hebrew Old Testament is at best a compendium of revisionist, fragmented history, mixed with folklore and theology, and at worst a piece of outright propaganda, likely will have to apply the brakes to their thinking.

Remove the theology and I am reminded of my government school history texts – a mix of fragmented history and folklore. It also reminds me of some of the scholarly papers I have read – material that fails to back the writers point of view is ignored.

[R. Scott]

Gee imagine that! The Old Testament and the Torah are accurate documents as revealed by GOD.

On this point it is. That does not mean the entire work is 100% historical truth – the story of Jericho is a case in point.

[anniegetyourgun]

Shocked to see the Globe and Mail would even touch this story. However, I'm not shocked to see the scoffers and mockers on this thread. Such was also foretold.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Or as a cantor put it to me, when my age was in single digits, the miracles weren't miracles because they occurred -- almost all of them are scientifically plausible. The miracle is that they happened at the exact right moment -- sometimes the exact second -- to be useful.

[John O]

Who said the book of Samuel was revealed by God? Not Jews or Christians .... it was "revealed" by history and men.

Well, I know that Catholics and evangelical Christians all say the book of Samuel was divinely inspired. I guess that's close enough to revealed by God.

[BibChr]

Ping

[petitfour]

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[Tribune7]

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[Destro]

The Old Testament is not history - just one example of its errors - and there are many - exclude it from being a history - bbut still a useful refrence book pf myths, allegories and pseudo-history.

[PatrickHenry]

But everyone knows Radiocarbon dating is flawed!
/sarcasm

It works quite well when it reveals the truth. Otherwise, it's the devil's tool. (As are you!)

[Just mythoughts]

"Draw them in with fascinating evidence, don't push them away with a personal, political or religious vendetta."

Vendetta???? So exposing a whole industry, whether it be political, educational, economic or religious, for hiding "truth" is a vendetta. Maybe time has come for the chips to fall where they may.

Actually one should be asking themselves what else has been hidden from the beginning!

[Just mythoughts]

Visit the E's their peer reviews and art work. They have figured out this earth is more than 6,000 years old but that is about it.

[ValerieUSA]

Who is going to take a vendetta seriously?
That is how the info will be ignored and the same old standard continue to be taught to another generation.

The historical record is not to be measured against your vendetta, nor taught according to it. That's as false a premise as the Bible-hating one is. The record must be constructed objectively, and let the evidence itself direct the world to an understanding of history that includes the Bible as an accurate account.

[Just mythoughts]

"The Old Testament is not history - just one example of its errors - and there are many - exclude it from being a history - bbut still a useful refrence book pf myths, allegories and pseudo-history."


Ok Destro whatever, not my job to pull the scales from your eyes.

[Just mythoughts]

"Who is going to take a vendetta seriously?
That is how the info will be ignored and the same old standard continue to be taught to another generation."

Ah but you see, I have no vendetta, and if you had read there are some with eyes to see and ears to hear, and some are blinded for their own protection and then there are some who know the truth and spend their whole life hiding it.

Let us not forget who is in control and who allows these things to be. Check out what was told to Gideon it still applies to this day.

Judges 7:2 And the LORD said unto Gideon, "The People that are with thee are too many for ME to give the Midianites into their hands, lest Israel vaunt themselves against ME, saying, 'Mine own hand hath saved me.'

Now you cannot say for certainty that exposing those who have made a living from discrediting the Bible are not getting a little Heavenly comeuppance.

[Destro]

Historical errors in the Old Testament

I do not base my faith in God based on the historical errors of the book - only on the spiritual works.

The Hebrews themselves did not create the bible as a history - in fact history as a was created by the classical Greeks centuries later. The bible was created as a spiritual guide rather than a history lesson.

[Destro]

You are 100% correct. The Old Testament was never written to be a history. How could they? History was invented by the Greeks centuries later.

[Just mythoughts]

"I do not base my faith in God based on the historical errors of the book - only on the spiritual works."

I have yet to see you quote anything from the Bible.


"The Hebrews themselves did not create the bible as a history - in fact history as a was created by the classical Greeks centuries later. The bible was created as a spiritual guide rather than a history lesson."


Yes indeed Destro that is why Paul tells us ICorinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples (examples): and they are written for our admonition, (warning) upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

So Destro given what Paul says this is history and what took place then is the SCRIPT for which is to come. Maybe you might need to read the SCRIPT to have a clue which ensample we are repeating at this time.

But hey nobody is going to force to you read that history.

[FourtySeven]

Interesting.