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Legislation Seeking to Criminalize Ultrasounds without Doctor's Order Moves in Springfield
The Illinois Leader ^ | 4/6/05 | The Leader-Springfield Bureau

Posted on 04/17/2005 9:31:06 PM PDT by eeevil conservative

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To: eeevil conservative

Please let us know when you have a name for your new website. I love the one you already have.

Have a good sleep.


261 posted on 04/18/2005 8:04:06 PM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: Sun

The argument for banning ultrasounds isn't the "radiation", but rather the risk that use of such "tests" outside proper environments might cause an "incorrect" diagnosis. In particular, it may cause a pregnant woman to misdiagnose her mass of cells as being a baby.


262 posted on 04/18/2005 8:39:28 PM PDT by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: supercat

"The argument for banning ultrasounds isn't the "radiation", but rather the risk that use of such "tests" outside proper environments might cause an "incorrect" diagnosis. In particular, it may cause a pregnant woman to misdiagnose her mass of cells as being a baby."

That is priceless! Do you mind it I use it sometime?

:)


263 posted on 04/18/2005 8:43:47 PM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: Sun
That is priceless! Do you mind it I use it sometime?

Go ahead. >:*3 Worry about results first--credit afterward.

264 posted on 04/18/2005 8:45:28 PM PDT by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: eeevil conservative

"Law could make ultrasound referral illegal for pro-life groups

Albany, New York, May. 27, 2004 (CWNews.com) - A bill before the New York Legislature would make it illegal for crisis pregnancy centers to refer pregnant women for ultrasounds. The bill was first proposed in April, but pro-life groups in New York have just recently make public warnings about it potential effect on their work.


The bill, proposed in the Assembly as AB10829 and in the Senate as SB6776, would only allow an ultrasound referral from licensed health care professionals. The putative reasoning behind the bill is to stop so-called "ultrasound boutiques," storefront services that allow women to receive a sonogram of their children, not for a specific medical reason, but for "entertainment" purposes.

LOOKS LIKE PP HAS BEEN HARD AT WORK! ONE STATE TO THE NEXT!

And Illinois claims they don't know anything about these crisis centers??/ PHOOOEY!

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=29839"

Yikes!! NYS is my state. No surprise, though. REPUBLICAN Governor Pataki is pro-abortion.

If the Republican Party has a pro-life platform, why do they keep backing pro-aborts, like Arnold S. and Pataki?




265 posted on 04/18/2005 8:48:29 PM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: supercat

I have a feeling that I will be using it soon, and I will say that my friend said: ........, as pro-lifers are my friends.


266 posted on 04/18/2005 8:59:11 PM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: All; eeevil conservative; supercat

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267 posted on 04/18/2005 10:14:22 PM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: politicalwit

" WELL, the KEEPSAKE *MOVIES* began in HOSPITALS "

***Actually you are incorrect. What the hospitals did and still do is to provide a couple of pics that are taken in the course of a medically necessary ultrasound exam. The sole purpose of the ultrasound is diagnostics, not personal satisfaction for parents.

Priorty....Diagnostics...Hospital
Entertainment..."boutiques"...profit (non-medical, unessential exposure to ultrasound.

Do you want your local Walmart to start doing ultrasounds at the portrait studio?***

I REALLY hate to tell you this, but I'm NOT wronng. Yes, that was THEN, movies are NOW and they are conducted and SOLD as an OPTIONAL keepsake. I was upset, because my OB/GYN didn't offer that yet, but they stated it would be available in the near future.

So, this BILL will need to include the *movie-keepsake* business, which the OB/GYN's created.




268 posted on 04/18/2005 11:30:50 PM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: MHGinTN

"You appear to be trying to fan flames of a fabricated issue, fabricated by PP-hood because the humanity of the alive unborn is so clearly shown in the NON-INVASIVE, SAFE newest ultrasound technology."

I suppose George W Bush was advocating abortion when he signed similiar legislation in Texas....

ANNOUNCEMENT: GEORGE W. BUSH IS PRO-ABORTION!!!!!


269 posted on 04/18/2005 11:32:41 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: eeevil conservative

"My real agenda is to see how many unborn children I can get exposed to danger."

Yes, I know. You've made it very apparent.


270 posted on 04/18/2005 11:39:19 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: eeevil conservative

Oh, by the way...George W. Bush signed similiar legislation in the State of Texas during his term as Governor.
When are you going to make the accouncement that George W. Bush is Pro-abortion and advancing the cause of Planned Parenthood?


271 posted on 04/18/2005 11:41:43 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: All

EVERYONE, please click here for phone #'s and faxes of Illinois senators.

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?CommitteeID=208

Tell your friends and family.

'night


272 posted on 04/19/2005 12:19:03 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: politicalwit
"GEORGE W. BUSH IS PRO ABORTION"
Could you please provide a link to support this?


politicalwit,

It *is* true! It was the OB/GYN's who first began the *ultra sound movie-keepsake* industry and if what you say is true and the new ultra sound machines now have an even deeper penetration of sound waves, whereby significantly changing the environment within the womb, in this case, as you say, the temperature......then this BILL MUST ban the use of ultra sound on ALL pregnant woman, by ALL, until such time that this procedure can be deemed 100% safe!

Apparently the motivation behind the author(s) creation and support of this BILL, is to take no chance in adversely affecting the normal development of unborn babies within the womb!

If the author(s) motivation is genuine, you would think that given the author(s) degree of concern, making it a CRIMINAL punishable offense, that the author(s) would be demanding that the use of ultra sound
on pregnant woman be banned across the board...PERIOD!
273 posted on 04/19/2005 5:11:33 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: supercat

LOL Oh how TRUE! :)


274 posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:43 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: All

I HAVE A QUESTION AND I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE'S INPUT!

BTW, I'M NOT SCREAMING (THIS TIME). I'M TRYING TO BE *NOTICED* LOL CAN EVERYONE SEE ME? :)

OKAY, HOW CAN WE DEVELOP A STORY FOR THE MEDIA, IN TERMS OF THIS *BILL*? I GUESS WHAT I MEAN....WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, THAT I THINK PERHAPS WE NEED TO MAKE SOME *NOISE* IN ILLINOIS! YOU KNOW, THE DEAFENING SOUND OF THE WARRIORS MARCHING IN FOR THE BATTLE? :)

OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, ETC... WHATCHYA THINK? ;)


275 posted on 04/19/2005 5:29:11 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: Fam4Bush; All
*****We can contact the Health & Human Services Committe linked above, but I'm not so sure the 7 dems are going to let this die. I think our best chance will be contact the state senators and reminding them we keep tab of their voting records.

I'm already upset about the mental health screening they'll be doing in the schools and on pregnant women(?).

If I hadn't waited 25 years for the property I'm on, I'd be out of here...


If the REPUBLICANS focus on the alleged *DANGER* involved, thus the author(s) concern and motivation behind creating this BILL; and they argue that ALL ultra sound should then be banned, including the use of ultra sound by physicians and certified ultra sound techs, on ALL pregnant woman until such time that the use of ultra sounds on pregnant woman can be deemed 100% safe, watch and see the DEMOCRATS *SQUIRM*!!!!!!

Does ANYONE believe that physicians and the ultra sound industry would just go along with a TOTAL BAN ON ALL PREGNANT WOMAN? Does anyone think, that they would not come CHARGING in to PROVE how SAFE the use of ultra sound is when utilized on pregnant woman?

Once the physicians and the ultra sound industry makes their argument, how then could this BILL, or any similar BILL, be taken SERIOUSLY? ;)

Hence my thoughts on bringing this BILL and those who are CHALLENGING this BILL to the MEDIA! You know.....DEMANDING that ALL ultra sound be banned, given the foundation presented by the author(s) of this BILL!

If we go along with the author(s) and we utilize the basis and the foundation used to create this BILL, you know....the DANGER presented to unborn children by the use of ultra sound on pregnant woman......watch how long it will take the PHYSICIANS & the ULTRA SOUND INDUSTRY to come a charging in to DEFEND their *INDUSTRY*! ;)

Once the physicians and the ultra sound industry make the argument FOR US, in that ultra sounds do not present a danger which could adversely affect the normal development of the *fetus*.....the DEMS will have to continue to FIGHT and defend their position, or they will relent!

Personally, I think they would relent, if they soon saw a large percentage of THEIR base charging at them HEAD ON like a run away TRAIN!! ;)
276 posted on 04/19/2005 5:54:55 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: politicalwit
The companies that agreed to meet Texas Health and Safety Code requirements for licensed physician involvement in the use of ultrasound equipment are:

Fetal Fotos of Frisco, near Dallas (Click to view agreement)
Womb With A View of Arlington (Click to view agreement)
First Look Sonogram of Plano (Click to view agreement)
Clearview Ultrasound Center of Austin (Click to view agreement)


But as you can see, the specific FOCUS pertained to the *entertainment keepsake* industry! The language was SPECIFIC! If the author(s) of the Illinois BILL, would use specific language in terms of *retail ultra sound keepsake* business', then I would have no objection! Anyone desiring to purchase from these retailers, would only need to obtain a letter of consent from their physician?

To use language which can be subjectively interpreted, given the non specific focus and purpose of this BILL as it is, is IRESPONSIBLE!
277 posted on 04/19/2005 6:03:50 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: IleeneWright

Agreed. Perhaps this is the language we need to include in our letters.


278 posted on 04/19/2005 6:27:22 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do well matters very much - JKO)
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To: All

Father Pavone calls this the MOST IMPORTANT VOTE, so please get your friends to call.

ACTION: You can reach your senators through the Capitol Switchboard today, or any day, at (202) 224-3121. Just dial this number and ask to be transferred to your Senator's office. You'll have to call twice in order to place a call to each of your two Senators. (You can get direct contact information for both of your home state Senators at the website, judicialnetwork.org, as well.) If you call the main switchboard, simply ask for the Senator you are calling, and when that Senator's office answers, explain that you support a return to the constitutional tradition of a fair up-or-down vote on judicial nominees and an end to the filibuster of judges. We recommend that you also call the local state office of your Senator with the same message.

It is even more powerful if you pay a visit to the local state office to register your concern.

If the main number is constantly busy, it might be easier to call your U.S. Senators directly.

You can find their numbers by clicking here:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


279 posted on 04/19/2005 7:07:07 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: Fam4Bush

****Agreed. Perhaps this is the language we need to include in our letters.****
April 18, 2005

Actuallly, THIS was my final draft, as oppose to the *final draft* I posted here yesterday.


Dear Senator,

I am writing in regards to House Bill 2492, which is *supposedly* intended to focus on the *ULTRA SOUND KEEPSAKE* (Entertainment) business aspect, yet the
language in this bill has been painted with a far too broad a brush, with obvious underlying ulterior motives, which does not pertain to just the *ultra
sound* entertainment business industry.

First of all, I do not see any specific conclusive evidence, which has been utilized by the author (s) of this bill, to support the specific language describing the allegations raised relative to the specific *intent* of this law, as it pertains to a *ULTRA SOUND ENTERTAINMENT & KEEPSAKE* business and subsequent danger to the normal development of the unborn child.

Given that there are no conclusive findings from any specific study cited to provide a foundation for the creation of this Bill, hence, determining and
supporting the allegations raised by this Bill’s author (s) , I find the author’s (s) supposed *original* intent to be quite disingenuous, since this bill is somehow supported on specific language relative to the outcome
perspective of some related *study* conducted, which supposedly raises the danger of ULTRA SOUND exposure to developing babies, which seems to be the specific foundation for creating this bill, yet no study which can support the allegations of the dangers involved in the ultra sounds of pregnant woman, can
be found within the context of this Bill.

If the intent is to truly ban the use of ULTRA SOUNDS for
*entertainment-keepsake* purposes, until such time as the use of ultra sounds can be determined to be 100% safe to the normal development of the unborn child, then it would behoove the citizens of Illinois, to have this BILL also ban the use of Ultra Sound use across the board, unless of course, the only intent of this BILL, is to eliminate any unnecessary, *possible* risk to the development of the unborn baby, by it’s use as a source of entertainment.

In any event, the language will need to be changed for the purpose of clarifying this BILL’S specific intent, as oppose to leaving the language in it’s current state, which is clearly open to subjective interpretation. In
addition, the BILL must also include language which will also ban the use of ULTRA SOUND for the purpose of *MOVIE-ENTERTAINMENT-KEEPSAKES*, as it now applies to HOSPITAL/MATERNITY WARDS AND OB/GYN CLINICS across the country, including the State of Illinois, given it was these medical facilities, which were the catalyst of the ultra sound *Movie-Entertainment-Keepsake* business.

Therefore, until such time as the language of this BILL is written to specifically target the purpose of the intended *entertainment & keepsakes* business, this BILL, as it is, may well violate, trample and infringe on the
rights of Illinois business entrepreneurs, as well as the inalienable rights of each citizen within the State of Illinois , to make an independent, concise and
informed PERSONAL/FAMILY decision!

In other words, this BILL as it is written in its current context, clearly allows the GOVERNMENT to step in, trample, hinder and interfere with Personal and Family matters, in addition to those respective decisions.

Sincerely,

*Another point, is how they could actually have the AUDACITY to attempt to make this a CRIMINAL OFFENSE.....when it's based on (their own) hypothesis and yet, haven't provided any direct, concrete proof to back the *facts* of this *hypothesis*, which they've obviously used as their foundation?

It's INSANE!


280 posted on 04/19/2005 7:44:59 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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