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$70 a barrel?
Pioneer Press ^ | Sunday, June. 26th, 2005 | Tim Huber

Posted on 06/26/2005 2:38:47 PM PDT by M. Espinola

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To: Protagoras

I am sorry my friend I dont agree, Money sent to the Saudi's ,Venezuela , Canada and other foreign countries and split among oil companies is not money going into the economy.


101 posted on 06/26/2005 6:42:25 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: rwfromkansas

I dont have any idea why you would assume I live in New England and as for Natural gas, it is higher than fuel oil.


102 posted on 06/26/2005 6:43:55 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Protagoras

sure, let the "free market" allow the hedge funds and wall street speculators walk away with a percentage of every dollar spent by US consumers at the pump, while at the same time sending the US economy into recession, and causing the political backlash that may put Hillary into the white house.

real great idea, just let the "free market" take care of it and everything will be fine.


103 posted on 06/26/2005 6:45:15 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: rwfromkansas
We need to begin looking at new fuels, new ways to power our cars.

People have been looking at new fuels and new types of energy conversion for a long time and will continue to do so. When the price of the fuels we use now rises to the right level, some of those things will become cost effective and will emerge as a result.

Economics never changes. It's like trying to change math, it can't happen.

104 posted on 06/26/2005 6:46:56 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: sgtbono2002

of course, the money still goes "into the economy" - but now its concentrated into companies providing energy, as opposed to being "spead around" in the form of spending that other corporations need for their survival. so when people have to pay $60 to fill up their cars, Exxon will be a trillion dollar US company, but when those same people can no longer afford to eat at the Outback for dinner, they will fold and fire all their US workers.


105 posted on 06/26/2005 6:48:53 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
but a structural change to hydrogen, would have to come from government, it would have to be a manhattan style project.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I am always amazed at "conservatives" who have no understanding of, and no faith in, free enterprise and freedom in general.

106 posted on 06/26/2005 6:50:06 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: M. Espinola
To be sure, the effects of rising prices aren't all bad.

Yeah... I'm just bubbling with enthusiam.

107 posted on 06/26/2005 6:51:55 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: oceanview
Your understanding of fundamental economics is appalling.

But your love affair with liberal ideas is apparent. Why would it bother you to have Hillary in the White House? Her beliefs are the same as yours.

108 posted on 06/26/2005 6:53:06 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras

if someone invested to create a new energy source that had an oil equivalent price of $40/bbl - oil would cost $38/bbl overnight. its a manipulated market. that's why there is no broad scale investment in new energy sources, you can't work a business plan for a new venture when the market price of your competition is a rigged variable.


109 posted on 06/26/2005 6:53:38 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Protagoras

none of your wonderful "free market" ideals applies to energy, because we aren't dealing with a free market here. Its manipulated. So the normal factors of supply/demand/price and competitive forces that would enter the market in response to those factors, is going to work here.


110 posted on 06/26/2005 6:56:43 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: sgtbono2002
The money goes to oil companies. Buy some shares, it will go to you.

As to sending out of the country, talk to your elected officials, we have all the oil we need right here, it just needs to be pumped out of the ground.

Then ponder what happens when some country gives us their oil wealth for our fiat paper money.

111 posted on 06/26/2005 6:57:17 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: oceanview
I'll get you some Reynolds Wrap for your tin foil hat.

If you think anyone is big enough to change the long term price of a commodity such as oil, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. Not to mention a liberal viewpoint.

112 posted on 06/26/2005 7:00:33 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras

to make hydrogen a reality, the government would have to set a floor on the price of oil. because you can't expect private industry to invest in this, only to wake up 5 years from now and find oil at $20/bbl, destroying their business plan.

you want private industry to do it - good, so do I. then you should support the concept on the government setting a floor on their competitors price to help them get started. because without that, they will be run out of business.


113 posted on 06/26/2005 7:01:14 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Protagoras

there is plenty of analysis in the financial news about the effects of hedge funds and speculation in the oil markets. its rampant, and its a fact, its not "tin foil".


114 posted on 06/26/2005 7:03:03 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Perdogg
I guess you won't be on the other side of Kudlow's trade. But you guys can sure find all the action you want.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the opinions, just enjoying all the "pundits" predictions.

115 posted on 06/26/2005 7:04:43 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: oceanview
It's laughable to think speculation ever set the long term price on anything.

And,,, there is nothing wrong with speculation, in fact, it's desireable. It provides liquidity.

116 posted on 06/26/2005 7:06:57 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: oceanview
you want private industry to do it - good, so do I. then you should support the concept on the government setting a floor on their competitors price to help them get started. because without that, they will be run out of business.

Government control of prices is folly. Everywhere and always.

Not to mention, anti freedom.

Communists like it though. And fascists. And Hillary.

117 posted on 06/26/2005 7:09:27 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras

so provide some mechanism that these private sector companies that you want to embark on the massive investment needed to make hydrogen a reality, can compete against the oil based energy industry? they can't - there aren't any real shortages of oil that are affecting the price, the price is being set by other factors, and is too variable to make it economically feasible for alternative energy developers to enter the market.


118 posted on 06/26/2005 7:12:38 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Walkin Man
Hillary is one of them. It's never been otherwise. Corporatism to the max. Corporatism squared. We might not notice a difference, and the third parties are clueless.

Oil at $60.40 on overnight futures trading.

119 posted on 06/26/2005 7:18:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: oceanview
Garbage in garbage out.

Start with incorrect assumptions and inadequate understanding of fundamental economics and you are bound to come to erroneous conclusions.

120 posted on 06/26/2005 7:19:40 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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