Bush Interview: "This should not be an amnesty program"

Houston Chronicle ^ | August 2, 2005 | JULIE MASON Interview with George W. Bush

[nopardons]

You may deny the facts, until you're blue in the face and the tinfoil you wear rusts; but, the simple fact is that any Chinese, from the Falun Gong ( and I know I've horribly misspelled that ) have come in and continue to come into American, in cargo ships, many of then in cargo bins that have been equipped with food, a blanket, and air holes.

You don't think...

We have never inspected every single ship and every single cargo bin, that comes into our country. Have you any idea how much stuff we import and how long that kind of inspection would take?

Assign visas to the IRS?

FYI...we don't make certain countries, such as England, give their citizenry visas when they come here. Perhaps we should now, after the shoe bomber and the attacks made on their own soil, by their own citizens on 7/11 and 7/14.

Did you know, that in the early years of the 20th century, one needed a passport to go in out of Canada? I think that that should be reinstated; for starters.

[FBD]

Athanasius_ROCKS: "It is because our predominately English fathers understood that freedom does not mean building walls to keep out the unwashed, but inviting you in, to enjoy freedom...."

The founders of our Constitution were very concerned about excessive immigration. They believed it was a threat to our freedoms, and that the flow and quantity of immigrants should be kept small enough to encourage assimilation.
Read what Jefferson, Madison, and George Washington all had to say about immigration and assimilation:

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Thomas Jefferson
1787 speech on excessive immigration and assimilation:

“…But are there no inconveniences to be thrown into the scale against the advantage expected from a multiplication of numbers by the importation of foreigners?

It is for the happiness of those united in society to harmonize as much as possible in matters which they must of necessity transact together. Civil government being the sole object of forming societies, its administration must be conducted by common consent. Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours perhaps are more peculiar than those of any other in the universe.
It is a composition of the freest principles of the English constitution, with others derived from natural right and natural reason. To these nothing can be more opposed than the maxims of absolute monarchies. Yet, from such, we are to expect the greatest number of emigrants.

They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty.

These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass.

I may appeal to experience, during the present contest, for a verification of these conjectures. But, if they be not certain in event, are they not possible, are they not probable?

Is it not safer to wait with patience 27 years and three months longer, for the attainment of any degree of population desired, or expected?

May not our government be more homogeneous, more peaceable, more durable? Suppose 20 millions of republican Americans thrown all of a sudden into France, what would be the condition of that kingdom?

If it would be more turbulent, less happy, less strong, we may believe that the addition of half a million of foreigners to our present numbers would produce a similar effect here. If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements.” ~Thomas Jefferson
1787 From Notes on the State of Virginia

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James Madison, on excessive immigration and assimilation:
“The opinion advanced in [Jefferson’s] Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners.

They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism?…

In the recommendation to admit indiscriminately foreign emigrants of every description to the privileges of American citizens, on their first entrance into our country, there is an attempt to break down every pale which has been erected for the preservation of a national spirit and a national character; and to let in the most powerful means of perverting and corrupting both the one and the other.” ~ Alexander Hamilton
[From Hamilton, “The Examination,” ]

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Read what George Washington said about the dangers of excessive immigrantion and assimilation:
"...the policy or advantage of [immigration] taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them.

Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, measures, and laws: in a word, soon become one people. ~ George Washington

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[NewRomeTacitus]

"How dare they disagree? Off with their heads!"

I suggest getting one of those croquet mallet flamingos to defend yourself with.

[BIRDS]

Actually, what you write reads very much like "the glorious socialist republic of America" plan.

Have to share that.

About MeCHa/whatever, I've known more than a few Hispanic college age people very much involved in it and it's not a "social club" but a racially motivated and based political membership group, from which those affiliated are very, very condescending about their "membership" in the group. Very gang based in behavior and ideology, if not gang in reality.

[CJ Wolf]

Here is the deal, make the ones here legal workers. Get rid of the minimum wage. Pay em what we citizens want and they don't get any benefits. Make them pay an American job tax which goes into socical security, war on terror, the space program or what ever we need. If they are a legal worker allow them to pay for private insurance and perhaps if they are forward thinking enough allow them to save for retirement in a legal worker retirement program. Deport or prosecute all foriegn criminals or undesirables.

[Know your rights]

It certainly wouldn't take a police state to secure the border to the point where illegal crossings are reduced to a small fraction of their current number.

Nor to seriously enforce current laws against hiring illegals.

[nopardons]

But it most assuredly WOULD take a police state, to do what many here claim they want...FORTRESS AMERICA.

[Know your rights]

it most assuredly WOULD take a police state, to do what many here claim they want...FORTRESS AMERICA.

I doubt they really want or expect more than I do: for illegal immigration to be reduced to a minor vexation rather than the major social, political, and economic force it currently is.

[nopardons]

Then you haven't read many posts on this topic. :-)

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Now that's how you deal. You come to the table with some ideas and hash it out.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Mexico is, for all intent and purposes, a socialist country. Fox was elected because it has a depressed economy and is plagued with corruption and crime. The government before Fox reigned for 70 years. Unfortunately for Fox, he has had to deal with the mayors and governors and legislators still in office and from the opposition party.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I have a niece in Arizona who is 21 and lives in a nursing home. When she was 18 she was broadsided by a drunk illegal Mexican. She is conscious but brain damaged. She will never walk or talk or feed herself. He had previous drunk driving charges. He will serve 7 years and then if he drives drunk again, he will be deported.

[NewRomeTacitus]

You're no more the authority on the topic than I am. Your presumptuousness is astounding. One person points out how illegal immigration breeds lawlessness and corruption while the other attempts to justify the inexcusable in defense of her polital party's negligence.

Yet you act the victim because I continue calling you on it. Perhaps you can get me suspended or banned. Try accusing me of stalking while pointing out how I've mentioned Liberty Post and banned members in my postings.

Just trying to be helpful.

[judgeandjury]

The acid test of whether this is true or simply a verbal subterfuge is when you point out that a guest worker program combined with a plan to let illegals register and become legit would eradicate the "illegal" nature of the immigrants. If the person balks at this point, you know it is just bullsh!t and the "illegal" stuff is just a convenient pretext. You see it all the time on FR.

Unless people are simply opposed to rewarding foreigners who violate our immigration laws. Then your "verbal subterfuge" and "convenient pretext" arguments get flushed right down the toilet.

[taxed2death]

"....are really less concerned with fixing the problem"


re: post number 259. Amazing that with all the bandwidth your soaking up here on FR with your pontificating there's still nary a whisper about securing our borders.

Your true colors are showing.