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The Law is On the Side of Valerie Plame (Larry Johnson Mr. Expert)
TPM Cafe ^ | oct. 17, 2005 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 10/17/2005 7:25:22 PM PDT by blogblogginaway

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To: muawiyah
Valerie Plame's unit was also credited with misidentifying the Chinese Consulate in Belgrade as a Serb WMD facility, forging a DOD targeting order and forwarding it to NATO who bombed the Chicoms and created an international incident. There was a post on this a few months ago.
41 posted on 10/17/2005 8:13:14 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Oblongata

I think your analysis is generally correct, except that the answer to a(ii) is "we don't know."

Could the CIA have sent Plame on overseas trips within the past 5 years using her cover as an "energy analyst" for "Brewster Jennings"?

Who knows?

Would it be incompetent to send on an overseas covert assignment an officer who has already been "outed" and who openly drives herself to work at CIA HQ everyday?

Yes, to me that would be incompetent.

But who here thinks, in the case of an agency dysfunctional enough to keep around an idiot like Larry Johnson as an intelligence analyst, that the CIA is not so incompetent as to do that very thing?

There are probably grounds to challenge the "affirmative steps" part. Were I representing Rove or Libby, I would take the position that "affirmative steps" has to mean steps by the CIA that, when taken together, are reasonable to assure that the agent in fact is covert. When an agent is already "outed" by Aldrich Ames and drives herself to CIA HQ everday, the mere fact that the she pretends to be an "energy analyst" for a front company is not a sufficient "affirmative step" to reasonably accomplish the purpose of making her a "covert agent."


42 posted on 10/17/2005 8:13:26 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: golfisnr1

The CIA pulled Plame in after it became known that Aldrich Ames ratted her out prior to 1994. Additionally, she told her then boyfriend Wilson she was an agent on their third date.


43 posted on 10/17/2005 8:14:02 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Oblongata
Am I making any mistakes here? Remember the ands and ors are very important.

Your comprehension of this is the same as mine. The "ands" and "ors" ARE very important. The law was not broken. This guy can try and spin it any way he likes but it seems to me that anyone with basic reading comprehension skills ought to be able to see this...

44 posted on 10/17/2005 8:14:46 PM PDT by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
She was also pretending to be a Valerie Flame and a Valerie Plume!

A search of www.google.com demonstrates that.

She may have been pretending to be several other people as well, and probably knows Larry Johnson from the doctor's office!

45 posted on 10/17/2005 8:15:38 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: roses of sharon
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46 posted on 10/17/2005 8:17:11 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
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To: roses of sharon
LOL, he is one of Chrissy's girly men.

Yup, and while he can't find an Islamofacist terrorist in the western hemisphere two months before 9-11, he can spot a fake Gucci handbag and confiscate it with aplomb and ease. (Never for personal use, though.)

47 posted on 10/17/2005 8:23:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: blogblogginaway

The first thing I want to see is evidence that Plame actually was a covert DNC operative working for the CIA. Johnson has already been discredited as a disgruntled former gruntle. This is just another Lefty's attempt at making a mountain out of a mole hill. Larry needs to give it up. His "15 minutes" are over.


48 posted on 10/17/2005 8:24:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We Gave Peace A Chance. It Didn't Work Out. Search keyword: 09-11-01.)
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To: muawiyah

And I wonder whether Larry was enjoying the BBQ at the 4th of July party at Lyin' Joe & Val's along with half the Washington press corps.


49 posted on 10/17/2005 8:26:45 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: golfisnr1
I believe it was Aldrich Ames.
50 posted on 10/17/2005 8:27:14 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Could she have been covert in open view?


51 posted on 10/17/2005 8:27:22 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: RunningWolf

Not after Ames outed her. She had ZERO use to the USA as a "covert" agent once it became known.


52 posted on 10/17/2005 8:30:37 PM PDT by jess35
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Another question is whether Johnny played Maah Jong at Wiriandonata's place, or around the corner at Gilbert Colon's.

Mir Ali Kansi used to work on taxicab brakes every Saturday morning on Villa Park right directly across from Gilbert's home. He later went on to shoot up the CIA main entrance (shortly after Aldrich Ames outed Valerie Plame/Flame/Plume and others).

Both Wiriandonata and Colon are on the lam ~ the FBI wants them for their involvement in one of the Clinton scandals involving James Riady in Indonesia.

If Johnny had any involvement whatsoever with these guys, the circle is closed and it will be quickly seen that the Clintonistas were heavily involved in espionage against the United States.

Billzo forgot to issue pardons to himself and his bodies for that group of crimes!

Given the urgency Johnny has placed on removing the focus of attention on Valerie Plame and her husband, I cannot believe he's not involved in this earlier problem.

53 posted on 10/17/2005 8:33:26 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: blogblogginaway

This is pure liberal pseudo-intellectual masturbation.


54 posted on 10/17/2005 8:35:16 PM PDT by EricT.
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To: blogblogginaway

Apparently this guy hasn't gotten the word that Ms. Plame/Wilson's identity had been compromised twice in the 90s (once by Aldrich Ames) and she had been put on an analyst desk in headquarters. She hadn't been an overseas operative for more than five years.


55 posted on 10/17/2005 8:37:43 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: blogblogginaway

Normally when a conservative posts 'opposition research' (which in the case of leftist opposition research is always lies), the conservative will point out descrepancies (the lies). You did not. Therefore, did you post this to show your support for the enemies of Karl Rove, blogblogginaway, or to demonstrate the lengths Rove's enemies will go to muddy the truth? Just curious.


56 posted on 10/17/2005 8:38:51 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau ("Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." -- James 4:7)
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To: razorback-bert

PING!


57 posted on 10/17/2005 8:47:57 PM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas (WAR: 1/3 yes, 1/3 no, 1/3 undecided; So began the American Revolution)
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To: Ron in Acreage
This woman was NOT covert for over 6 years. The left continues to push this lie. She's been at a desk job at the Pentagon for over 5.

I thought she was CIA, not DoD. But in any event the CIA is full of Clintoonistas that are trying to bring down Bush. Wait and see if all the facts ever come out into the light - I bet Hitlery is involved somehow.

58 posted on 10/17/2005 8:54:03 PM PDT by p23185
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To: jess35
Okay, Good point about the Aldrich Ames traitor.
I have been very interested in this whole saga, but have not kept up with it as well as some.

Here is my take (at the moment), there may have been a small scale conspiracy (as any is) to ruin Bush.

I'm looking at Wilson, he duped and used his wife.

People like Judith Miller got sucked in by their own personal ambitions, but they were not conspirators because they had not that knowledge.
Also Wilson may have not imagined the consequences of his acts, went further than he imagined.

Hope I said that coherently ;0

What say you?

Wolf

59 posted on 10/17/2005 9:00:51 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: PhilipFreneau

Keep reading. No need to apologize.


60 posted on 10/17/2005 9:01:42 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
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