Discovery Prospects at the Large Hadron Collider

Brookhaven National Laboratory ^ | 23 April 2006 | Staff (press release)

[RadioAstronomer]

I get the same (let private industry do it) arguments over space exploration.

Also, the cancellation of the SSC was one of the larger US science blunders of the 20th cetury IMHO.

BTW, (Check my signup date) :-) 5 years!! Guess I no longer rate as a newbie! LOL!

[RadioAstronomer]

We let it get away, but building the Super-collider ("Super-Clyde") would have eaten much of the national science budget for some time. Tough call either way.

Nope. Check the cost of the SSC against the ISS.

[Lurker]

That reminds me. I was promised a tour of the new laser facility at Argonne. I gotta call that guy I met last time I was there and set it up.

L

[RadioAstronomer]

Wish I could join you!

[Lurker]

That would be fun. My department rents the conference facilities there from time to time for seminars and classes. Last time I went, I met one of the scientists and he offered a tour if I was really interested.

He gave me a business card and told me to call him. I gotta find it and take him up on the offer.

We occasionally use some of their assets when we have mass casualty drills. They have some really hot decon equipment. Gee, I wonder why....

If you ever get to the western suburbs of Chicago, let me know. I'll see if I can get something set up. Maybe we could set something up at Fermilab as well.

L

[RightWingAtheist]

I think science is best served by a two-tiered economic system, both with government expenditures and an economic system and climate that encourages massive investment into research by private companies and philanthropies. While it's appaling enough that some people don't want to see any public science funding (their attitude is basically "why pay our most educated people to actually work, when we should just hand it over to those too stupid and lazy to get a job or education?"), but I'm equally disheartened that some people don't recognize there's a role for the private sector as well, or that a free economy is necessary for a healthy research environment, especially since some of these voices come from those within the scientific community frightened by the "corporatization" of research.

[RadioAstronomer]

but I'm equally disheartened that some people don't recognize there's a role for the private sector as well, or that a free economy is necessary for a healthy research environment, especially since some of these voices come from those within the scientific community frightened by the "corporatization" of research.

Ouch. Did I come across that way? If so, it was not intended. I agree that there neeeds to be a blend of both.

[RadioAstronomer]

Thanks! :-)

[RightWingAtheist]

Not at all! I share the same sentiments; I was just try to further build on them, and express the need for a complete openeness in science funding. It is in the best interests of the private sector as well as the public sector to support basic research; the problem is that private funding by itself can't support massive research programs where the trade-off is indirect or not immediate, and that's when the public sector becomes absolutely necessary. Funding of basic research is the best welfare-to-work program we got, IMHO. Just ask Newt :)

[longshadow]

Guess I no longer rate as a newbie! LOL!

But you're still relegated to the Janitorial Staff at DarwinCentral™!

[PatrickHenry]

I think he was promoted due to some particularly fine debunking action. A mined quote, I think. Anyway, RA has cleaned the dung from his boots. He's still on probation, of course ...

[longshadow]

I think he was promoted due to some particularly fine debunking action.

I have no objection .... as long as he doesn't get his own key to the DarwinCentral™ Pleasur-torium, where only the elite Executives of DC are permitted to roam among the service wenches, wearing only a smile and a mink-lined cod-piece.

[RadioAstronomer]

as long as he doesn't get his own key to the DarwinCentral™ Pleasur-torium

Well......Guess I should come clean...(I was spotted in the Pleasur-torium last week anyway SIGH) You see it's this way. Remember when that pad with the letterhead went missing last year? I forged the Grand Masters signature to the lock company for the entire island and had a duplicate set sent to me.

Even the keys to the super secret Perissodactlya Hall! (where we hide all the anti-transition fossils so the ID folks never have any evidence)