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‘United 93’: A hard flight for Americans to take
Tacoma News Tribune Editorial ^ | 5/7/06 | Tacoma News Tribune

Posted on 05/07/2006 10:53:29 AM PDT by Ramius

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To: Dominic Harr

I agree.


121 posted on 05/08/2006 8:25:49 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius
It's a story that needs to be told, and it was done just right in this film.

Then why didn't they show the vote?

Because the director needed to retain the balance between the terrorists and the passengers. Showing Americans voting and making decisions while being terrorized would favor us - and make the terrorists look evil. It would not sell overseas.

122 posted on 05/08/2006 8:29:12 AM PDT by donna
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To: oyez
You mean, like, Democrats?

I *did* say "stupid people" -- so obviously like Democrats!

:-D

123 posted on 05/08/2006 8:30:41 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: donna
Then why didn't they show the vote?

Huh? You're hung up on the mechanics of a vote? There's no way to know precisely how that was done. They did show a great deal of the argument, discussion and eventual decision to act. That's what the whole thing was about. I don't see how that could be your big problem.

124 posted on 05/08/2006 8:51:19 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius
I don't see how that could be your big problem.

Oh, maybe because our freedom of self government is the very thing the terrorists want to take from us?

125 posted on 05/08/2006 8:58:44 AM PDT by donna
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To: donna

They did decide as a group to fight back. You're mad because they didn't show them using ballots?


126 posted on 05/08/2006 9:06:38 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius

Post #122:

Then why didn't they show the vote?

Because the director needed to retain the balance between the terrorists and the passengers. Showing Americans voting and making decisions while being terrorized would favor us - and make the terrorists look evil. It would not sell overseas.


127 posted on 05/08/2006 9:10:26 AM PDT by donna
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To: downtownconservative
Unbelievable! I cannot even comment on this inane statement. Geeeeeeze!

I agree........such a shock to this bozo.......that the 'TRUTH HURTS'!!

128 posted on 05/08/2006 9:12:06 AM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: donna
Because the director needed to retain the balance between the terrorists and the passengers.

He did no such thing. That you continue to think so simply tells me that we have nothing further to discuss. I've said my piece and you've said yours.

Good day.

129 posted on 05/08/2006 9:14:27 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: donna
Then why didn't they show the vote?

They showed the passengers discussing what they were going to do.

The film portrayed them discussing it in whispers, so that the terrorists wouldn't overhear them.

This seems to me the most likely scenario.

Yet you seem to be craving for the movie to show some sort of parliamentary proceeding, with a polite raising of hands and calls for "Yea" or "Nay" votes.

I don't get your point at all.

130 posted on 05/08/2006 9:18:23 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: donna
This movie was anything but proterrorist. Should the director have given the Evil Ones some sort of overt markings?

The point, FRiend, is that Evil is banal and hard to recognize until it springs on you.

Eichman, the BTK Killer, 4/5 guys from the ME out for a plane ride. All perfectly normal appearing, all blending into the background until the trap is sprung.

We'd all like them to be like this Ahmagoinjihad there in Iran so we could see them up front for what they are, but that's not the way it works.

131 posted on 05/08/2006 9:57:58 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Madame Dufarge
Yet you seem to be craving for the movie to show some sort of parliamentary proceeding, with a polite raising of hands and calls for "Yea" or "Nay" votes.

If you won't accept my explanation maybe this will help:

A&E did a version called "Flight 93" in January. Here is an excerpt from a [National Review] review that explains the importance of the vote:

"There's a moment toward the end of Flight 93 — the new A&E film about 9/11 and the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania — when the passengers realize they must make a decision about whether they're going to try to overpower the hijackers. So they do something quintessentially American: They vote."

"The entire movie, which premieres tonight at 9 P.M., can be interpreted as a metaphor for the war on terror: The bad guys wield box cutters, invoke the name of Allah, and kill people; the Americans vote, say the Lord's Prayer, and fight back." (snip)

132 posted on 05/08/2006 11:48:39 AM PDT by donna
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To: metesky
I'm saying the director of this movie accomplished perfect balance between the passengers and the terrorists in a way the will let every American hating Muslim laugh and applaud as they watch this movie.

I object!

133 posted on 05/08/2006 11:51:10 AM PDT by donna
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To: Ramius
But it is not about grief. It is about courage.

A movie is like any other piece of art; what you are seeing is not necessarily what the artist wants you to see because you are filtering it through your own experiences. To the author of this piece it could've very well been a movie about grief, while to you it's about courage. Both of you are right.

134 posted on 05/08/2006 11:53:19 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Ramius; All
United 93's box office receipts compared to other movies in 2006

2006 DOMESTIC GROSSES

#1–100 - #101–150
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Rank Movie Title (click to view) Studio Total Gross / Theaters Opening / Theaters Open Close
1 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox $184,420,315 3,969 $68,033,544 3,964 3/31 -
2 Failure to Launch Par. $87,328,276 3,202 $24,411,322 3,057 3/10 -
3 Inside Man Uni. $86,368,485 2,867 $28,954,945 2,818 3/24 -
4 Scary Movie 4 Dim. $84,501,768 3,674 $40,222,875 3,602 4/14 -
5 The Pink Panther Sony $82,226,474 3,477 $20,220,412 3,477 2/10 -
6 Eight Below BV $81,174,739 3,122 $20,188,176 3,066 2/17 -
7 Big Momma's House 2 Fox $70,085,227 3,261 $27,736,056 3,261 1/27 -
8 V for Vendetta WB $69,563,652 3,365 $25,642,340 3,365 3/17 -
9 Tyler Perry's Madea's Family Reunion Lions $63,257,940 2,194 $30,030,661 2,194 2/24 -
10 Underworld: Evolution SGem $62,318,875 3,207 $26,857,181 3,207 1/20 -
11 Mission: Impossible III Par. $60,091,171 4,059 $47,743,273 4,054 5/5 -
12 Curious George Uni. $58,360,760 2,609 $14,703,405 2,566 2/10 5/4
13 The Shaggy Dog BV $57,431,352 3,501 $16,310,058 3,501 3/10 -
14 The Benchwarmers SonR $56,107,026 3,282 $19,656,429 3,274 4/7 -
15 Final Destination 3 NL $54,098,051 2,880 $19,173,094 2,880 2/10 -
16 Firewall WB $48,714,507 2,840 $13,635,463 2,840 2/10 -
17 Date Movie Fox $48,487,606 2,898 $19,076,261 2,896 2/17 -
18 When a Stranger Calls SGem $47,860,214 3,004 $21,607,203 2,999 2/3 3/19
19 Hostel Lions $47,326,473 2,337 $19,556,099 2,195 1/6 2/16
20 Nanny McPhee Uni. $47,144,110 2,148 $14,503,650 1,995 1/27 5/4
21 Glory Road BV $42,643,187 2,397 $13,594,734 2,222 1/13 -
22 Silent Hill Sony $42,307,017 2,932 $20,152,598 2,926 4/21 -
23 The Hills Have Eyes FoxS $41,543,709 2,621 $15,708,512 2,620 3/10 -
24 Last Holiday Par. $38,399,961 2,514 $12,806,188 2,514 1/13 -
25 16 Blocks WB $36,698,249 2,706 $11,855,260 2,706 3/3 -
26 Take the Lead NL $33,943,336 3,009 $12,051,277 3,009 4/7 -
27 RV Sony $33,320,569 3,651 $16,414,767 3,639 4/28 -
28 She's the Man DW $33,054,097 2,631 $10,730,372 2,623 3/17 -
29 The Wild BV $32,725,350 2,854 $9,684,809 2,854 4/14 -
30 The Sentinel Fox $32,041,884 2,851 $14,367,854 2,819 4/21 -
31 Stay Alive BV $22,693,016 2,009 $10,726,406 2,009 3/24 -
32 United 93 Uni. $22,046,975 1,871 $11,478,360 1,795 4/28 -
33 Lucky Number Slevin MGM $21,805,329 1,989 $7,031,921 1,984 4/7 -
34 ATL WB $21,020,534 1,602 $11,554,404 1,602 3/31 -
35 Thank You for Smoking FoxS $20,450,327 1,020 $262,923 5 3/17 -
36 Stick It BV $18,978,888 2,044 $10,803,610 2,038 4/28 -
37 Aquamarine Fox $18,568,348 2,538 $7,482,669 2,512 3/3 -
38 Ultraviolet SGem $18,500,966 2,558 $9,064,880 2,558 3/3 -
39 Annapolis BV $17,127,992 1,607 $7,681,171 1,605 1/27 4/13
40 Larry the Cable Guy: Health Inspector Lions $15,476,885 1,747 $6,922,767 1,710 3/24 -
41 Tristan and Isolde Fox $14,734,633 1,845 $6,583,135 1,845 1/13 3/30
42 Freedomland SonR $12,512,886 2,361 $5,833,562 2,361 2/17 -
43 End of the Spear RM $11,748,661 1,163 $4,281,388 1,163 1/20 -
44 Dave Chappelle's Block Party Rog. $11,718,595 1,200 $6,214,723 1,200 3/3 4/6
45 Akeelah and the Bee Lions $11,604,649 2,195 $6,011,585 2,195 4/28 -
46 Something New Focus $11,468,568 1,265 $4,879,736 1,265 2/3 -
47 Friends with Money SPC $10,342,000 1,010 $589,332 28 4/7 -
48 Deep Sea 3-D (IMAX) WB $8,135,764 47 $700,213 43 3/3 -
49 Slither Uni. $7,802,450 1,946 $3,880,270 1,945 3/31 -
50 Doogal Wein. $7,417,319 2,319 $3,605,899 2,318 2/24 -
51 An American Haunting Free $7,249,702 1,703 $5,783,508 1,675 5/5 -
52 American Dreamz Uni. $7,064,450 1,500 $3,667,420 1,500 4/21 -
53 Running Scared NL $6,855,137 1,611 $3,381,974 1,611 2/24 4/2
54 Phat Girlz FoxS $6,780,568 1,060 $3,109,924 1,060 4/7 -
55 Grandma's Boy Fox $6,090,172 2,016 $3,009,341 2,015 1/6 2/23
56 Basic Instinct 2 Sony $5,851,188 1,453 $3,201,420 1,453 3/31 -
57 Hoot NL $4,087,569 3,018 $3,368,197 3,018 5/5 -
58 Roving Mars (IMAX) BV $3,117,871 27 $412,337 27 1/27 -
59 Tsotsi Mira. $2,753,840 122 $76,324 6 2/24 -
60 La Mujer de Mi Hermano Lions $2,668,766 217 $1,018,750 206 4/14 -
61 BloodRayne Rom. $2,405,420 985 $1,550,000 985 1/6 -
62 Rang De Basanti UTV $2,197,694 66 $701,666 61 1/27 -
63 Neil Young: Heart of Gold ParC $1,747,891 65 $53,908 4 2/10 -
64 Night Watch (Nochnoi Dozor) FoxS $1,489,470 158 $86,985 3 2/17 5/4
65 Why We Fight SPC $1,427,568 64 $53,571 6 1/20 -
66 Brick Focus $1,271,088 45 $83,574 2 3/31 -
67 Tristram Shandy: A Cock and Bull Story PicH $1,253,413 51 $60,886 3 1/27 5/4
68 Find Me Guilty YFG $1,173,673 439 $608,804 439 3/17 -
69 Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World WIP $888,975 161 $429,223 161 1/20 3/9
70 The Notorious Bettie Page PicH $825,751 73 $143,131 20 4/14 -
71 Hard Candy Lions $778,760 152 $58,049 2 4/14 -
72 Ask the Dust ParC $739,441 111 $68,779 7 3/10 -
73 Imagine Me and You FoxS $672,243 106 $51,907 8 1/27 3/23
74 Kinky Boots Mira. $616,158 86 $77,529 9 4/14 -
75 Sophie Scholl - The Final Days Zeit. $532,840 28 $17,310 1 2/17 -
76 Boynton Beach Club WinD $462,719 17 $60,212 10 3/17 -
77 L'Enfant (The Child) SPC $453,037 40 $44,537 7 3/24 -
78 Church Ball Hale $437,473 40 $144,376 40 3/17 -
79 The Second Chance Triu $432,253 87 $200,554 87 2/17 -
80 The Lost City Magn. $420,864 24 $191,560 18 4/28 -
81 When Do We Eat? Think $416,379 48 $134,006 48 4/7 -
82 Preaching to the Choir Free $405,191 143 $190,865 143 4/14 -
83 The Promise WIP $400,260 213 $272,838 213 5/5 -
84 Water FoxS $336,594 62 $56,280 5 4/28 -
85 Zinda Eros $332,491 38 $167,246 38 1/13 -
86 Steve Harvey's Don't Trip... He Ain't Through with Me Yet! Free $319,088 56 $164,926 54 3/17 -
87 Marilyn Hotchkiss' Ballroom Dancing & Charm School IDP $304,025 46 $92,668 38 3/31 -
88 Taxi 9211 UTV $292,794 36 $102,466 36 2/24 -
89 Don't Come Knocking SPC $285,102 32 $30,630 6 3/17 -
90 Dirty Silv. $274,245 35 $95,521 35 1/20 3/9
91 Adam & Steve TLA $270,024 17 $66,429 17 3/31 -
92 Humko Deewana Kar Gaye UTV $244,226 39 $108,630 39 4/14 -
93 A Good Woman Lions $238,609 35 $97,060 35 2/3 2/23
94 Tamara CityL $206,871 32 $29,157 14 2/3 -
95 Malamaal Weekly RBF $204,612 19 $75,556 17 3/10 -
96 The Devil and Daniel Johnston SPC $202,438 15 $23,192 5 3/31 -
97 Fateless Think $196,857 9 $12,680 1 1/6 -
98 On a Clear Day Focus $166,706 33 $17,303 5 4/7 -
99 Drawing Restraint 9 IFC $163,246 3 $18,011 1 3/29 -
100 Awesome: I F%!#in' Shot That Think $162,538 180 $18,074 18 3/31 -
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135 posted on 05/12/2006 9:42:39 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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