Posted on 07/19/2006 12:39:07 PM PDT by 2nsdammit
Hmmm, which is it? In post 47, you said that you were a "theistic evolutionist". Here, 3 posts later, you say you are opposed to it.
Did you forget which sock puppet you were driving, by chance?
Go back and read my post reeeeeeaaaalll slow. I quoted Francis Collins. That was not MY stance. By the way, I am opposed to theistic evolution along with anything else connected to evolution. God created. End of story.
OK, since you explained it, I can see that you were quoting. Of course, it is usually customary, in written English, to use quotation MARKS when one is quoting someone.... Perhaps you can understand my confusion when you didn't do so.
Good point. I will make quotation marks a must in future situations. Sorry about the confusion.
Neither am I. I just thought it was interesting that the Pope had decided he no longer wanted the Catholic Church to look ridiculous in opposing scientific findings.
I understand that it worked something like this. The Vatican sponsored a conference of all of the greatest cosmologists of the late 20th century. In exchange the cosmologists were expected to report to, and submit to questioning from, the Pope.
So the questioning went something like this (greatly simplified):
Pope: How did the universe get to be the way it is?
Cosmologists: The universe started with a Big Bang, and the laws of physics caused it to develop, until it became like it is today.
Pope: What came before the Big Bang?
Cosmologists: We don't know.
Pope: Will we ever know what came before the Big Bang?
Cosmologists: Nope. No way. No how. Never.
Pope: Church doctrine is that God created the Universe through the Big Bang and used the laws of physics to make it become the way it is today.
And who's to say he's wrong. I certainly can't.
Shussssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh.
We are not supposed to have noticed that.
Only mankind, well only American mankind ,is responsible for changing the earth.
26 feet is lot of movement between two continents.
Hope they get the GPS numbers for any nearby terrorist camps fixed before we need to send any cruise missiles into this area.
It doesn't do anything to discredit Jewish scripture. Pointing out that something, reported in Jewish scripture, could have occurred as an unusual natural phenomenon, doesn't say anything about the accuracy of that scripture.
What I described is not a "view" and it did not come from "liberal theologians". It is a phenomenon which was observed and analyzed by scientists during the 20th century.
As an agnostic, I recognize that God could exist, and that he (she? / it?) could use a natural phenomenon to perform a "miracle". It is ironic that so many Christians lack confidence in the powers of their "omnipotent" God.
Let me say it....Bush's fault. Get it "fault"? LOL
It is a view espoused by liberal theologians. You may not have read them personally, but liberal theologians presuppose that the supernatural can not occur - which is really amazing because once you have accepted the idea of God, then why is it so hard to believe that He can be supernaturally acting in human affairs?
As to our confidence. God can do absolutely ANYTHING he wants to. If He wants to use natural phenomena to accomplish something, He can do it. My problem comes when people insinuate that the only way that He can do things is through natural phenomenon. I mean, He's God for crying out loud!
Finally, what scientists have observed doesn't mean that this is what occurred in Exodus. An entire army of Egyptians died that day. It had to be quite a release of water to do that.
yuck yuck yuck....
I'm not denying, by the way, that such phenomenon have been observed. I'm rejecting the view that the supernatural doesn't exist.
My point exactly! If he couldn't, he wouldn't really be God.
Finally, what scientists have observed doesn't mean that this is what occurred in Exodus.
True. It is merely interesting to note that it could have been a natural occurrence.
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