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Moon Chemistry Confirms Violent Origin
SPACE.com ^ | 22 August 2006 | Jeanna Bryner

Posted on 08/23/2006 10:24:06 AM PDT by Boxen

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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Total BS. Once in motion it will not stop. Look up Newton.

No, he's right...and the answer is consistent with Newtonian physics.

41 posted on 08/23/2006 1:37:51 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Total BS. Once in motion it will not stop. Look up Newton.

Sorry bud. You need to brush up on total angular momentum and orbital mechanics.

(What I do for a living)

42 posted on 08/23/2006 1:38:44 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Once in motion it will not stop.

In a frictionless system. Neither earth nor the moon nor the combination is a frictionless system. Energy is lost from both bodies by heat radiation--very deep infrared--and both will eventually stop rotating.

43 posted on 08/23/2006 1:41:04 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Well doesn't that mean that all planets are in the same plane except Mecury, Earth, and Pluto? The same except those extremes.

Not quite. The solar system formed out of an accretion disc causing most planetary formation to be close in orbital inclination. However, there are minor differences between all of the planets; Pluto and Mercury being the most extreme.

Note, this does not directly equate to a planets eccentricity or axial tilt referenced to the Earth's equatorial plane.

44 posted on 08/23/2006 1:42:39 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RightWhale

It is not heat radiation but tidal forces causing this phenomenon.


45 posted on 08/23/2006 1:43:50 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Info.

Thanks. Neat story (I saw it on SpaceRef.)

46 posted on 08/23/2006 1:44:29 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: RightWhale

Fair enough. I need to look at some sources and get back to you. I still don't see exploding planets. Where does the energy come from? However, I will call some folks I know on Stardust and see what is up.


48 posted on 08/23/2006 1:46:10 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer

It is tidal action, a kind of friction, and the energy of roation is thereby freed and lost from the earth-moon system by heat radiation.


49 posted on 08/23/2006 1:48:04 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Van Flandern makes reference to phase state changes inside the planet. When the phase changes it happens quickly and the whole thing blows up suddenly.


50 posted on 08/23/2006 1:51:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

Nope. It’s the conservation of total angular momentum of the entire system. As the Earth slows down due to tidal action, the Moon must recede. This same tidal action is why the Moon now has the same orbital period and rotation.

As the Moon receeds, it also slows down. Kepler's third law.


51 posted on 08/23/2006 1:52:08 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Stardust

The materials need something like 3000 degrees to form. The sun could blow off dust like this, or maybe it came from the supernova that supposedly was here before the present star system.

52 posted on 08/23/2006 1:55:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RadioAstronomer; RightWhale
I'm not sure why he'd hold a different opinion: the "glancing body" impact explains just about everything about the moon's composition, and accounts for the different inner core metals between the earth and moon.

A "direct impact" doesn't explain the core materials, (lack of core materials on the moon actually) and the subsequent size of the moon w/r to the earth. Explosions would have to be explained by something.
54 posted on 08/23/2006 2:02:24 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Before the moon can come to tidal lock it must somehow dispose of energy. Otherwise it would continue to rotate slower and slower while it recedes but never quite lock. And it also recedes to bleed off earth's rotational angular momentum. There are at least two things going on here. Maybe three since earth is also headed toward tidal lock with the moon.


55 posted on 08/23/2006 2:02:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Jonah Hex

Technically speakin' - the writer is dead wrong.

Fully half the time, the back side of the moon is fully lit. We jest can't sea it from here (Since all teh seas are on this side of the moon -w here we can see them from here, except when they are in the dark, which is when we can't see the seas from here). Further, or nearer as the case may be, since the side we can see from here is in the dark when the side we can't see from here is in the light, so we really can't see either side from here half the time so neither side must be visible the rest of the time from from here, so THIS side of the moon is in the dark when the other side of the .....


56 posted on 08/23/2006 2:05:56 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: lepton
apparently you've never been kept in the dark about anything. :P

Do my wife and kids count? ;-)

57 posted on 08/23/2006 2:06:08 PM PDT by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: TropicalFishGuy

No, that is Hoagland's spiel. There is some cross-fertilization, but mainly they follow different paths.


58 posted on 08/23/2006 2:08:37 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

We don't know much about the inside of our planet. Who knows if there might be a change of phase beginning right now? When the phase changes the material inside the planet could suddenly need a lot more room. It happened to Krypton!


59 posted on 08/23/2006 2:11:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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