Chicken bones show Polynesians went to Chile (Told ya so!)

Reuters ^ | 5 June 2007 | Maggie Fox

[DieHard the Hunter]

> There was world trade before the great flood.

Hmmmm... maybe please don’t get me started on the Great Flood. I’m a devout Christian but I do have some difficulty believing that:

a) the entire Earth was flooded to a depth of 28,000-odd feet (roughly the height of Mt Everest); and

b) all animals were loaded onto a stone-age wooden boat; and

c) Noah had the time and capability to navigate to the South Pacific to drop off all the world’s most poisonous snakes plus the kangaroos plus the platypus to Australia only, and then cut across to New Zealand and drop off Moas, Kiwi, Tuatara and other prehistoric animals only found in NZ and nowhere else; and then

d) chug back to Mt Ararat to drop off all the rest of the animals...

...no, please don’t get me started on that one. It causes a Crisis of Faith. Logic says “no” but Faith says “it must be so...”

[blam]

"Descendants of survivors of Atlantis. Pay attention would ya?"

Good...You've been paying attention.

Sundaland

[bmwcyle]

Jesus is real. He what is says he is. There was also a great flood.

[blam]

Where Was Atlantis? Sundaland Fits The Bill, Surely!

[philly-d-kidder]

Can you say Kon Tiki.. some students from St Joseph’s University went on a Reed like Boat...... I am Not sure they went to Chile or ecuador or both it Happened when I was in Grad school 40 Plus years ago..

[PissAndVinegar]

I think Columbo would have concluded that himself, he's quite the detective you know...

[DieHard the Hunter]

> Jesus is real. He (is) what is says he is. There was also a great flood...

I know that and believe it. Yet the fact remains that the Ark must — per force — have had some serious Outboard motors deployed in order to drop all the unique animals off in the places where they are only found on the globe.

And there remains the issue that Mt Ararat — where the Ark crash-landed — is many feet above sea level from most parts of NZ and Oz: meaning that somehow our NZ animals must either have treaded water for a very long time until the waters subsided, or the Ark must have been transported uphill somehow onto Mt Ararat. Water finds its own level, you see: a universal flood that places the Ark say 10,000 feet above sea level means that sea level was approximately 10,000 feet above where it is now, WORLDWIDE. Plus-or-minus, given tides...

Like I say, the whole question brings about a Crisis of Faith for me. I don’t know how to reconcile it, and I try not to. Some things just weren’t meant to be explained or understood, I guess...

*DieHard*

[sticker]

Next time someone starts up about the flood, ask them how it correlates with the epic of Gilgamesh. It can be hilarious

[DieHard the Hunter]

> Can you say Kon Tiki.. some students from St Joseph’s University went on a Reed like Boat...... I am Not sure they went to Chile or ecuador or both it Happened when I was in Grad school 40 Plus years ago..

I read Thor Hyerdahl’s book when I was about ten. A rollicking good read, but I believe he did the expedition ass-backwards.

Nobody in South America was smart enough to cross the South Pacific. Show me the boats!

Where are the great Mayan fleets? Or the Inca Navy? Or the Aztec flotilla? Fact is, I am unaware of South American civilizations being even remotely competent at ocean navigation. (Please correct me if I am wrong).

Polynesia, on the other hand...

[Vaquero]

Cristoforo Colombo in Italian.......Cristobal Colon in Spanish.

but this guy is pretty good too.

[Grut]

"He had it backwards... Heyerdahl had proposed that people were coming out of South America and into Polynesia," she added. "We know the Polynesians were actually going to South America and probably trading chickens for (sweet potatoes) and bottle gourds."

So, who were they trading with? It's perfectly compatible with Heyerdahl's theory -- that humans spread across the Pacific from South America -- that they then traded back with 'the old country' which they knew was there. The chicken would have been just a novel critter they acquired in their travels.

[Vaquero]

Controversy on Origins

There has long been debate whether araucanas were bred from chickens brought by Europeans to South America after Columbus or rather arose from chickens brought directly over the Pacific Ocean from someplace nearer to all chickens’ presumed ancestral home in Southeast Asia. If, as sometimes claimed, auracanas predate the Europeans in South America, their presence implies pre-Columbian trans-Pacific contacts between Asia and South America. A direct Asian, non-European, but not necessarily pre-Columbian origin has received some support in a recent study of modern araucanas’ mitochondrial DNA. However, the authors of the study have stressed that to establish that araucanas are indeed a breed developed in pre-Columbian South America would require analyzing apparent chicken remains from a pre-Columbian site. (J. Gongora, et al., “Mitochondrial DNA sequences reveal a putative East Asian ancestry for old Chilean chickens,” Proceedings of the International Conference on Animal Genetics, ISAG 2006, Porto Seguro, BA, Brasil.)

Now (June 2007), researchers led by Alice Storey at the University of Auckland, New Zealand, report finding evidence that may ruffle some scholarly feathers. They found chicken bones of Polynesian origin at a site in what is now Chile. Radiocarbon dating of chicken bones at the site on the Arauco Peninsula in south central Chile indicated a range of A.D. 1321 to 1407, well before the Spanish arrival in the Americas. The researchers were able to obtain DNA from some of the bones of these early birds, and found they were identical to ancient chicken bones previously found in Tonga and Samoa. Chicken had been used in the Pacific for at least 3,000 years, spreading eastward across the region as Polynesians gradually populated the islands. The DNA from these chickens also shared some unique sequences with modern Araucana chickens from South America and some current chicken types in Hawaii and Southeast Asia, the researchers found. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_sc/fowl_finding250 (Study: Chickens beat Columbus to America)

[Humvee]

Well said! Portions of Genesis are based on Babylonian mythology transliterated by Jewish scribes who were “captives” in Bablyon. Hermeneutics is not necessarily a bad thing.

[Coyoteman]

There was also a great flood.

Biblical scholars generally place the flood at about 4350 years ago.

That is an easy time period to examine; archaeologists do it all the time.

There is no world-wide sediment layer at that time period. Rather, cultures regularly continue from before to after that date, with continuity of DNA, site development, artifact styles, etc.

[RipSawyer]

It snows in Hawaii, from time to time...........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It snows a lot more often in South Carolina but the state is not known for ski resorts.

[Red Badger]

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/ASK/hawaii-snow.html

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks D the H! This one also is going into the catalog.

Polynesians Beat Columbus To The Americas
New Scientist | 6-4-2007 | Emma Young
Posted on 06/04/2007 8:58:20 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844873/posts

First Chickens in Americas Were Brought From Polynesia (came before Columbus)
NYT | 06/05/07 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
Posted on 06/04/2007 9:55:26 PM EDT by TigerLikesRooster
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844910/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks DieHard the Hunter.

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[Jack Hammer]

I hope they didn’t drink the water.

[T. P. Pole]

Here is the answer from the Bible.

Gen 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

The claim is that all the earth was in one place (the panagea thing) until the days of Peleg, at which point the earth divided into the continents as we know them today. This must have taken great force, and therefore raised the mountains as the land moved around. The earth at Noah's time was mostly flat. This also explains how the unusual animals got there - they just walked before the dividing happened.