Posted on 06/18/2007 2:47:24 AM PDT by Lukasz
” The Polish problem is that Germany’s influence would be enormous in relative terms. “
And this is a problem because ?
Ok, I have to go get more coffee, and maybe read this again.
Some things done with maths really surprise me.
Like the time my boss used a markov process to predict billable hours...
Exactly. They're not likely to create a successful union based in such large measure on anti-Americanism.
True principles work.
Neighboring EU countries are not, and will never be, nearly as much alike as are US states. This remains true even with the bitterest political and demographic balkanization in America. There is only one official language, only two functional languages, in the USA. Imagine if we had to deal with a distinct language and culture for each state. That the EU “works” in any sense is rather bemusing.
It’s not the question wether we like or dislike the poles. Gerhard Schröder did the wrong (populistic) thing when he sealed the borders for cheap polish labour.
This time the question is - why can’t Kaszinsky win some distance from his anti-german resentiments ?
And:
Why should we put so much weight on a relatively instable and new partner like poland ?
Wouldn’t it be much better to give this high potential the time to grow it needs ? Imagine K. overdoes his anti german emotional demands. That could mean the new formation of a core europe without poland.
On the other hand the simple and basic democratic approach allready sets poland in a very heavy position since it is a large country with many people.
It’s easy to see the high influence of poland in the EU - all it needs is a little more diplomatic skills of the leadership.
but this builds certain capabilities that come in handy while globalizing our economy.
German proposal highly reduce Polish influence and this is the reason why we might veto all this treaty. If German media spin this only to anti-German sentiment, this rather not our problem. The question is not as you wrote that why Germany should give Poland as much influence, because we already have it. This is Germany the one which demand changes.
I dint’ write that germany should or shouldn’t give poland more influence.
The influence of Poland is not deminished by the european plans to give everybody a fair and equal vote.
The oposite is true. While up to now highly populated countries like poland and germany are set back the new system would favour them.
The biggest misfavour poland has in the moment is kazynsiky himself. He’s an anti - diplomate. Violent, provoking, demagogic - you can’t make progress with a failure like him.
You are in strong denial.
No - it’s a debate.
Why is it unacceptable to give a germans vote the same weight as a polish one ?
Because the many germans had more political weight then the fewer poles ?
Well yes - and that is not desirable why ?
Since when is germany a foe of poland ?
Is it impossible to come to an agreement with german politics ?
Is there a risk that germans would decide against polish interests just to do poland harm ?
And in the opposite case ?
Today Kaszinsky dragged out the good ol’ WWII club. How can he make any clearer that his stance is not connected with polands or european well-beeing but with anti- german attitude ?
We need more understanding and togetherness in europe. That’s what Angela Merkel stands for and that’s what highly motivated and capable polish students throughout europes universities stand for.
What does K. stand for ?
This is just German propaganda for external use. If your government would be so European why would they so heroically fight for votes for GERMANS. After all this should not be important at all, we are all Europeans! So Kaczynski stand for exactly the same what Merkel stands.
This is consequence of German proposal, that we simplycannot agree.
Thank you for your graph it explains nicely why the european proposal is fair.
Germany gains only 5% of weight while the vote of the germans has been totaly underrepresented in the treaty of nice.
We have worked contructively all these years allthough our politcial weight in the EU was that of Luxemburg. Follow our example - it should be much easier for you then it was for us.
... and I cannot see Angela Merkel playing an anti polish campaign card so I guess she stands for constructive and honourable cooperation between our countries. While K. A well - you just stand in front of him because I am german. If I was an australian you would admit he’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
... Never mind . K. will get his debate - will not get the square root - will get something else instead - and in the end england will spoil a consensual decision.
If I was an australian you would admit he’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Prime Minister or President?
the prime minister...
I take it, that the president is a little bit more benign in his style.
Maybe this is because of his function and not because of his attitude.
And no, I am not ‘spinning’ the german side. I am really open for math and points of view. I understand the function of the square root law. But I also understand it’s downsides.
But I am not open to account the polish war losses during WWII in the debate about european weighting and so every european (and in secrecy every pole) will say.
So I understand the background - but I don’t have any understanding for this prime torpedo.
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