Spiral Wall Motifs Reveal Çatalhöyük Migration

Todays Zaman ^ | 7-26-2007

[blam]

GGG Ping

Remember that Cherchen Man (one of the 2000BC mummies found in China) had this spiral painted on his face.

Cherchen Man

[Lurker]

The houses were adjacent and no house was superior to another, which can be indicated as a sign of their egalitarian structure of society. They did not have a leader and they lived in peace.”

I call bullsh**.

L

[ClearCase_guy]

Didn’t you get the memo? The whole world lived in an egalitarian paradise until 1776. That’s when the fighting broke out and all the trouble started.

[Lurker]

We predict that these motifs on the walls are the source of the motifs that are used on kitchen utensils.”

How do they know it wasn't they other way around?

Archeologists are such inveterate bs'ers....

"OH this means they ate nothing but flowers and butterflies, never fought with their wives, and all of their children were above average..."

What utter crap.

L

[Adder]

“The houses were adjacent and no house was superior to another, which can be indicated as a sign of their egalitarian structure of society. They did not have a leader and they lived in peace.”

Oooo did they find a book telling them so?
Otherwise, its wishful bs.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Blam. Thanks for that graphic showing that motif. To all -- the roofs had holes which were the exits (as well as the chimneys) because they A) didn't have streets, other than across each other's roofs, and B) they were interested in their own security, as the site was on the obsidian trade route and wealthy.

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[ClearCase_guy]

We had an article posted here some months ago which "explained" that humans began using gestures sometime between 250,000 and 500,000 years ago.

Unless they found a fossilized "one-finger salute", I'm not sure how they arrived at their conclusion.

[Lurker]

The houses were adjacent and no house was superior to another, which can be indicated as a sign of their egalitarian structure of society.

Or it can be indicated that this was a block of cheap rental units and the landlord was a d***head with crummy taste.

L

[Monkey Face]

Who writes the scripts for these guys?

[bert]

The spiral is a sure indication of Ammonite worship.

[wildbill]

I absolutely love the drivel that some archeologists put out when trying to explain a site using their own biases and stereotypes.

“The houses were adjacent and no house was superior to another, which can be indicated as a sign of their egalitarian structure of society.”

Remember this song, deriding the culture of sameness:
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,1
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.
There’s a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they’re all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the caves
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there’s hunters and farmers,
And spell-binding shamans,
And they’re all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

Or “They did not have a leader and they lived in peace.”

Then why did they need doors and bury their neighbors under the floor?

[Joe 6-pack]

"They did not have a leader and they lived in peace.”

I thought the Pope was the nominal leader of the Çatalhöyüks....at least the Roman Çatalhöyüks ;-)

[JimSEA]

I am both very interested in the objective findings of this dig and skeptical of their interpretation. I just finished The Goddess & The Bull" by Michael Balter. The Archaeologist involved in the dig are a mix of Feminists, anti-capitalist or Marxist, multiculturalists and others who can be counted on to infuse their idealogical prejudices into their work. Hodder is the main current exponent of Post-processual Archeology which seeks to "move beyond the science and tell a story, give a voice to the ancestors." Of course they found evidence of a Marxist utopia -- what else?

[N. Theknow]

Spiral Wall Motifs Reveal Çatalhöyük Migration

Pinging the Çatalhöyük Ping List.

[blam]

"Of course they found evidence of a Marxist utopia -- what else?"

They found what they were looking for. Earlier interpertations say the entrance in the top was a defensive action.

I couldn't force myself to post this one.

[BJClinton]

The houses were adjacent and no house was superior to another, which can be indicated as a sign of their egalitarian structure of society. They did not have a leader and they lived in peace.

Or the developer only had one blueprint to work with.

[wildbill]

I’m not sure about the Pope being involved, but surely they created the Catahoula cattle dog breed.

[john drake]

These schmucks make me puke. When European archeologists were working in Turkey on some of the finest Roman ruins comprised of summer homes, theatres, etc. that contained the finest mosaics ever discovered, the government of Turkey said they couldn’t wait for the excavation to be completed or the objects removed. They closed the project and flooded the entire valley as part of an electrohydratic dam system for the great future of Turkey. Needless to say, no one will ever see those Roman ruins at the bottom of a deep lake. So much for their love of archeology.

[JimSEA]

From your link: Giant mines and their waste transformed entire mountains and watersheds, polluting the land and making it impossible for the native plants to grow.

As a retired miner who worked for Newmont Gold (Carlin Gold), I understand just where this idiot is coming from. The environmental assessment done before the Gold Quarry Pit was opened traced the local plants and animals back some 20,000 years through varied climates and conditions. The Native Americans impact was minimal because the environment was generally harsh and difficult.

The impact of the mines (and there are a lot of them) is minimal except in the actual pits and mill sites which comprise a tiny percent of the land. However there was a constant stream of environmentalists photographing the open pits and the supposed poisoning of all with cyanide. You repeat something long and often enough and it becomes fact.

The height of absurdity was reached when the EPA turned down another company I worked for, Magma Copper's application to mine and restore the old Ruth Pit on the grounds that it would due irreparable damage to the landscape of the area. Ruth Pit is yet an empty hole in the ground that will never be reclaimed because it was closed prior to the reclamation laws.