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Ancient Mexican City Raises Questions About Mesoamerica's Mother Culture
My San Antonio ^ | Tracy L. Barnett

Posted on 10/14/2007 9:20:42 AM PDT by blam

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To: maine-iac7

No. I just wasn’t clear as to what aspect of the article I was commenting about. See #6.


21 posted on 10/14/2007 10:39:04 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Thompson '08)
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To: kalee
So all the so called experts “know” is speculation.

They should just shut up.

The last thing we need is a bunch of dad bern speculators.

22 posted on 10/14/2007 10:47:29 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: blam
An important item backing this theory was another find: a headless woman's naked figure, carved of limestone and polished to a high sheen. The figure, found in a pool that once stood at the feet of the monolith, was believed to be an offering to the gods. The raised dots on her arms and legs correspond with the number of days in the lunar calendar, according to archaeologist Ricardo Muñoz, while the width of her hips and the fullness of her breasts indicate a woman at the height of her fertility

ah...the Huastecs idea of the perfect woman

23 posted on 10/14/2007 10:52:49 AM PDT by wardaddy (Behind the lines in Vichy Nashville)
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To: patton
There was a book in a similar vein called “The Motel of the Americas” that detailed a future archaeologist discovering an ancient tomb, which we know is a motel room, and goes on to classify all the objects completely wrong.
24 posted on 10/14/2007 11:24:10 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: blam

I can remember as a child growing up in the 50’s a fascination I had with reading paleontological books. The dinosaurs the “scientists” wrote about then no longer exist. New dinosaurs have emerged. Even the prehistoric men they re-created were from such minuscule fragments of bone as to qualify more for fraud than science. This is a field notorious for their acrobatics if not their science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt9wZmvo7Go


25 posted on 10/14/2007 11:31:23 AM PDT by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: maine-iac7

Maybe we perceived it differently. I wasn’t thinking about exceptions. I was thinking in terms of armies, societal structures, physical strength, and emotional predisposition. There have always been exceptions throughout history.


26 posted on 10/14/2007 11:46:05 AM PDT by Wage Slave (Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
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To: kalee

I wouldn think that, because they are an irrigated ag economy, the water from the stone headless women could be some sort of analogy. Perhaps two rivers into one, or two irrigated cultures into one. I would think that a lot of their spiritual expressions would be water and ag based.

I believe the Hopi developed as a matriachy because of their devlopment of established agriculture, rather than hunter-gathering. It is also true of the matriarchy of the various non-migratory Klamath River tribes, where property is established as family fishing spots, plots for basket making materials and acrorn gathering.


27 posted on 10/14/2007 12:33:41 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: CzarNicky

We have that book and it is hilarious. My children loved it when they were young.


28 posted on 10/14/2007 2:59:23 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: DBCJR
The dinosaurs the “scientists” wrote about then no longer exist. New dinosaurs have emerged.

I guess you are talking about the Brontosaurs, now called Apatosaurs. They still exist, but for reasons of biological classification they changed the name. This happens today with well known existing species.

When I was a kid the Panda Bears were considered a separate family of carnivores, along with the Lesser Pandas. These days they seem to group the Lesser Pandas with the Raccoon family, and consider Greater Pandas more closely related to other bears.

29 posted on 10/14/2007 6:23:23 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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A powerful woman stands at the center of the carving, flanked by two smaller decapitated women. A stream of liquid flows from the headless women toward the woman in the center... The women on each side are thought to represent priestesses, and the liquid represents the life force, while the woman at the center represents Mother Earth; so the priestesses seem to be nurturing the Earth with their life force. The truth is, however, nobody knows for sure what these stones mean.
"...although it appears to mean that one woman has just cut off the heads of two other women, either a some sort of human sacrifice, or as a consequence of some kind of cat fight."
One thing is fairly certain -- because of the recurrence of the number 13, the monolith seems to be a lunar calendar of some sort. That's why it set the archaeological world abuzz with discussion when it was unveiled last November. It is believed to have been created around 600 B.C. -- 2,000 years before what was previously the oldest discovered calendar in the Americas, the Aztec Calendar, which dates to A.D. 1400.
Huh? The Mayan calendar is now very well understood, and antedates the Aztec calendar.
30 posted on 10/14/2007 10:16:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, October 5, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The monolith seems to have been toppled from its original location, broken into pieces and covered with mud. Ahuja estimates the time period at about the same time that several coastal cities were flooded, probably by a tsunami-type surge, around 300 B.C.
Catastrophism angle, nice touch! Thanks Blam.
 
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31 posted on 10/14/2007 10:20:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, October 5, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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32 posted on 10/14/2007 10:24:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, October 5, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

The women on each side are thought to represent priestesses, and the liquid represents the life force, while the woman at the center represents Mother Earth; so the priestesses seem to be nurturing the Earth with their life force.


What will future archaeologists say when the discover the fountain/sculpture of the little boy pissing from our current era?


33 posted on 10/14/2007 10:26:40 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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34 posted on 10/14/2007 10:31:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, October 5, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Wage Slave

There is a very good reason why all the civilizations in which women were the warriors are no longer around.


35 posted on 10/14/2007 10:35:34 PM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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Huh? The Mayan calendar is now very well understood, and antedates the Aztec calendar.

And the Mayan Long Count calendar was originally developed by the Olmecs -- the true Mesoamerican foundational culture. They date back to around 1800 B.C. although it's not known just when they developed the Long Count. The Aztecs were latecomers.

36 posted on 10/14/2007 10:40:00 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: patton
I remember that - except for the title, author, etc.

IIRC, they determined holiness of the objects because they were made of the most durable materials(?)

PS: It is true that our long after the fact or geographically remote attitudes make for convoluted interpretations of many artifacts.

37 posted on 10/15/2007 10:02:12 AM PDT by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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Darn if I remember - I read it about thirty years ago...


38 posted on 10/15/2007 10:08:11 AM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: maine-iac7
There were many cultures who had celebrated women warriors. For one example: Bodacia, (Boadicea) who carried out one of the biggest defeats against Rome...

The story of Bodica(sp) ends with her and her followers being slaughtered at the hands of a Roman force about a tenth or less the size of her army. I think this same Roman general was eventually called back to Rome because they felt his actions against the Britons was a bit too heavy handed.

39 posted on 10/15/2007 10:26:10 AM PDT by Diplomat
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To: CzarNicky

I remeber an old National Lampoon with something very similar, there was a skeleton in the bathtub with a showercap on the skull, which identified the skeleton as obviously coming from the priestly classes, or some such.


40 posted on 10/15/2007 11:45:59 AM PDT by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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