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Will the Ice Caps Melt?
American Thinker ^ | January 22, 2008 | Jerome J. Schmitt

Posted on 01/23/2008 2:49:50 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
Will the Ice Caps Melt?

Not until the earth heats up hotter than it has in millions of years.
41 posted on 01/23/2008 3:55:01 PM PST by aruanan
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To: neverdem
"Volume of water necessary to raise sea-level 20-feet: ~6 x 1024m3" I don't understand where that number comes from, or does it mean anything?

Yeah. I think it should be 2.11 X 10^15 cu meters. Six meters times area of sea.

42 posted on 01/23/2008 3:56:27 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: neverdem; All

All I will say, as a former Mechanical Engineering student with Engineering-level Physics coursework in my not-too-recent past is...

Dang, there are some smart people that contribute to this forum.

But then again, I’ve forgotten more physics then all you guys know.

(That’s because I’ve essentially forgotten it all, and you just can’t say you know it all!)


43 posted on 01/23/2008 3:56:46 PM PST by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Sorry, boss. I'm a God-fearing engineering type, and 10% is a long way from close. .0002% is fairly close. Accuracy is appreciated, and facts are vital. Real facts, observed from the universe. Crap in books is subject to review. I've written books. ;)

/johnny

44 posted on 01/23/2008 3:58:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: neverdem
I don't understand where that number comes from, or does it mean anything?

It's the difference in cubic meters between the current sea surface level and one that is 20 feet higher.
45 posted on 01/23/2008 3:58:28 PM PST by aruanan
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To: cogitator
In the southern hemisphere Jan and Feb are seasonally analogous months to July and Aug in the northern hemisphere.

Is 2002 the first time the Larsen B ice shelf has collapsed in the height of the summer season?

46 posted on 01/23/2008 3:59:46 PM PST by TigersEye (McCain is unfit for office. See my profile page.)
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To: unspun

And what does Huckabee say about this hoax, or has he bought into it? Or is he afraid to challenge the elitists?


47 posted on 01/23/2008 3:59:48 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: GreenAccord
Don't be embarrased. I'm just a cook. ;)

/johnny

48 posted on 01/23/2008 4:00:13 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: neverdem
Volume of water necessary to raise sea-level 20-feet: ~6 x 1024m3

I don't understand where that number comes from, or does it mean anything?

As far as I can tell both the exponent and the coefficient are meaningless. But notice that he also got the next number wrong. It should be 22 x 10^14 or 2.2 x 10^15, not 22 x 10^15.

Since the guy doesn't even understand exponential notation correctly, my judgment is that it is not worth proceeding further.

49 posted on 01/23/2008 4:01:55 PM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded
We've always got a 'teaching moment'

/johnny

50 posted on 01/23/2008 4:03:14 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: wideminded
It has to be a typo because the last figure seems about right. Using his numbers for area of sea, I get 2.11 x 10^15 cubic meters of water which would be about 2.2 x 10^15 cubic meters of ice. He says 22 but then the editor says they transposed a decimal point.

What a mess.

51 posted on 01/23/2008 4:12:16 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well that’s nice for a machinist, but not everyone would accept that definition.

So, if I tell you I will be done with a project in approximately 10 minutes, and I run a minute over, my time estimate is really bad? Is a second too much over?

If you purchase approximately 1 cubic yard of dirt, do you require it to be correct to within 0.0002% when it is delivered?


52 posted on 01/23/2008 4:22:21 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: cogitator

But if you want to talk about Antarctic ice sheets melting you also have to consider that the ice sheets are actually gaining net mass from snowfall. And that snow has to come from water vapor evaporating from the sea resulting in lower sea levels.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323645,00.html


53 posted on 01/23/2008 4:24:18 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: neverdem
hundreds of times more heat energy must be imparted into the ice-caps to melt sufficient ice to raise sea-levels the catastrophic levels prophesied by Al Gore.

This is entirely consistent with Al Gore's gross exaggeration of facts to advance his agenda.

After Live Earth he repeatedly claimed that two billion people participated worldwide - internet stats and TV ratings actually showed a worldwide audience of around 40 million - just TWO PERCENT of his claimed total...

The man is a blatant and repetitive LIAR..

54 posted on 01/23/2008 5:11:49 PM PST by Wil H
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To: neverdem

I agree. The volume of water should approximate the volume of ice.


55 posted on 01/23/2008 5:36:58 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Oops, yes, I missed the incorrect exponent, too. It's 6 x 1014m3.

Actually, it is 2.16 x 1015m3.

56 posted on 01/23/2008 5:45:12 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: cogitator

Say what you will, I would prefer higher sea levels over another Little Ice Age. The latter could reduce the earth’s people-carrying capacity by 75 percent, down to around 2 billion.

Global warming = people moving.

Global cooling = people starving.


57 posted on 01/23/2008 5:47:32 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: TigersEye

From what I understand, this ice shelf was known as a permanent feature until it collapsed. These shelves are very thick and take many ( i.e. hundreds ? ) of years to form.


58 posted on 01/23/2008 5:59:28 PM PST by dr_lew
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59 posted on 01/23/2008 6:02:03 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: neverdem
"The engineer has learned vastly more from the steam-engine than the steam-engine will ever learn from the engineer."

-- Prof John B. Fenn, Nobel Prize, Chemistry, 2002

As well as the numerical and conceptual errors noted, I think this quote is a botch. It's certainly "off" since the steam-engine is not capable of learning, and would stand for steam-engineering as a metonym, but in that case it contradicts itself.

I knew this as "Science owes more to the steam engine than the steam engine owes to science" and a google search of "science owes more to the steam engine" gets 300+ hits, where "The engineer has learned vastly more from the steam-engine" hits only this putative citation.

The familiar quote means that the practice of steam engineering contributed more to the knowledge of thermodynamics than vice versa.

60 posted on 01/23/2008 6:09:47 PM PST by dr_lew
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