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Serbs Struggle to Understand Western Support for Kosovo Independence
Center for Peace in the Balkans ^ | Mar 5, 2008 | Ljiljana Smajlovic

Posted on 03/05/2008 4:08:54 PM PST by Bokababe

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To: olezip
I understand why the corrupt and twisted Clinton Administration supported Islamofacists when the West supported Kosovo. I DO not understand why the Bush Administration continues this reprehensible policy.

Because in practice there is precious little difference between the two parties.

41 posted on 03/06/2008 10:18:28 AM PST by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: olezip
I understand why the corrupt and twisted Clinton Administration supported Islamofacists when the West supported Kosovo. I DO not understand why the Bush Administration continues this reprehensible policy.

Because in practice there is precious little difference between the two parties. That's why.

42 posted on 03/06/2008 10:27:33 AM PST by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: Bokababe

Take a look. We will be Kosovo.

Unintended consequences, Bad policy just got worse

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......headline........Native American Courts: Precedent for an Islamic arbitral system (Establish Shariah Law in USA). Source: American Muslim Published: Mar 3, 2008

My Grgrgrandfather is rolling in his grave. He and many of his contemporaries (all Cherokee) were trying to get rid of the tribal system of government/courts in the 1800’s because they knew it would be a contradiction to the Constitution and national stability. We NEVER learn.


43 posted on 03/06/2008 12:11:13 PM PST by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: GAB-1955
Serbs have fought Catholic Croats was well as Muslim Bosnians and Kosovars. The claim that Serbia is fighting Islamic terrorism is window dressing. Serbia wants every canton with a majority of Serbians to be part of Serbia. Fine. That implies allowing the rest of Kosovo to got its own way, and allowing Croat cantons to join Croatia, and so forth. They haven’t allowed that.

What the hell are you talking about? Cantons? What cantons? Before you start shooting your mouth off, learn a thing or two about the history of the region. "Kosovars" don't exist -- much like "Palestinians." It isn't a nation, a people. There are Serbs (indigenous) and there are Albanians (illegal aliens / occupiers).

Regarding the fighting, the Serbs were only trying to defend themselves (learning a thing or two the hard way in 1941/2) and trying to prevent the sequel to WWII (which never really ended in Yugoslavia).

45 posted on 03/06/2008 1:29:24 PM PST by Banat (DEO + REGI + PATRIAE | Basileia Romaion)
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To: strmenjan

Albanians aren’t “Islamofascists”.


47 posted on 03/06/2008 1:55:15 PM PST by Diocletian
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To: Bokababe

Serbs didn’t “choose to share”. They too were forced into Yugoslavia thx to Brit pressure since the promise from 1915 was withdrawn.


48 posted on 03/06/2008 1:57:11 PM PST by Diocletian
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To: prometheus1982
"We have here 4 wars started by one nation/province in a decade."

No, what we have here is four wars of secession, started by FOUR different different groups (Slovenes, Croatians, Bosnians, Albanians) against two different entities -- The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and now, with the Albanians, Serbia.

Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia were republics of Yugoslavia who chose to secede. Kosovo has never been "a republic". You are comparing apples to oranges.

In case you missed the memo -- Serbia was found "not guilty" on all charges of genocide in Bosnia, so don't drag that into the argument.

As for "apologists", you are the guy who just showed up here out of nowhere three days ago to argue this case, so I'd think twice before calling anyone names.

49 posted on 03/06/2008 3:22:31 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Diocletian
"Serbs didn’t “choose to share”. They too were forced into Yugoslavia thx to Brit pressure since the promise from 1915 was withdrawn."

Serbs weren't "forced" to do anything -- they were on the winning side of the war, when Croatia was on the losing side. The British could have cared less about what happened to Croatia post-war, they had their own worries. Besides, Dalmatia wasn't even part of Croatia until after WWII when Tito gave it to them.

50 posted on 03/06/2008 3:26:30 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: AuntB
"Take a look. We will be Kosovo. Unintended consequences, Bad policy just got worse"

Just the beginning, Aunt B.

Granting Kosovo independence was like pulling that small snag on a sweater, only to find the whole sweater unraveling in your hands and you can't put it back together. In this case, "the sweater" is the geo-political world.

51 posted on 03/06/2008 3:32:34 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
Serbs weren't "forced" to do anything -- they were on the winning side of the war, when Croatia was on the losing side. The British could have cared less about what happened to Croatia post-war, they had their own worries.

I suggest you pick up a history book or two. When the Russians were knocked out of the war by the Bolsheviks, the main backers for the Treaty of London were gone.

On the island of Corfu, the British insisted upon Pasic to accept a state that reached towards Carinthia and Istria instead of the one promised in the Treaty of London.

Again, pick up a history book. Dalmatia was the centre of the Croatian kingdom....all the royal capitals of Croatia were in Dalmatia, all Croatia's kings were Dalmatian.

When the Serbs and Croatians came to a deal in 1939 (Cvetkovic-Macek Sporazum), the whole of Dalmatia was included within the Croatian Banovina.

Now let's see if you'll again engage in Serbian amnesia the next time this historical fact is brought up.

52 posted on 03/06/2008 3:40:20 PM PST by Diocletian
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To: prometheus1982
History grad here.The fact that SOME third tribes (or even civilizations, such as the Romans) lived in "Serbia" prior to the arrival of the Serbian tribe(s) there obviously means that the Serbs aren't the first people to inhabit those lands. But, suffice it to say, no one's even disputing that.

However, they were there before the "Albanians," because the "Albanians" (a non-existant name at the time, obviously) represented a statistical error in Kosovo's population according to the Turkish census conducted some 8 centuries after the Serbian arrival. Actually, the population is almost exclusively Serb.

Furthermore, I was talking about the last 60 years when I said "illegal aliens." It was a well-known policy of the Communist rulers of Yugoslavia to have an open-door immigration policy toward Stalinist Albania. God knows who entered Serbia during those years. Conveniently enough, they created (the autonomous region of) Kosovo and kept expanding its jurisdictions and powers in order to further weaken Serbia. When the Minister of Interior of Serbia at the time started asking questions, he was promptly removed by Tito (1966).

53 posted on 03/06/2008 4:36:20 PM PST by Banat (DEO + REGI + PATRIAE | Basileia Romaion)
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To: prometheus1982
Nope. We had an orchestrated break-up of a country that was a thorn in the side of the Empire and the Serbs just happened to be the most numerous and the most stubborn... not to mention the most dispersed of all the tribes (i.e. a potential threat to the new statelets). So, in the name of multiethnicity and in order to destroy nationalism once and for all, a multiethnic Yugoslavia was destroyed and a multiethnic Serbia is being destroyed. What is left in their wake is a patchwork of ethnically pure entities (full of rabid nationalists, but our nationalists mind you) incapable of self-sustenance.

History buff my a$$. Utterly, appalingly clueless more like.

54 posted on 03/06/2008 4:45:05 PM PST by Banat (DEO + REGI + PATRIAE | Basileia Romaion)
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To: manc

‘Clinton and wesley clark should have been in the hague’

I don’t like either, but you’re wrong.


55 posted on 03/06/2008 4:51:24 PM PST by xone
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To: prometheus1982

So you are worried about how long the Serbs have been there when it is at least 1000 yrs? If you are an Avar, Illyrian or Ostrogoth you got a bitch.


56 posted on 03/06/2008 4:59:15 PM PST by xone
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To: Banat
Well, what are those administrative divisions in Kosovo? They are called cantons, in the articles I have read.

And yes, I know the history of the region.

A “Kosovar” is a resident of Kosovo. Most of them are ethnic Albanians, yes. But it's a useful concept if you reject the concept that every ethnic Albanian must be in Albania.

I'm sorry you don't like my point of view, but calling me stupid or imply I'm ignorant of the history. I've been watching this area since 1992, sadly.

57 posted on 03/06/2008 5:00:35 PM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: prometheus1982

Most of the albunnies living in Kosovo are refugees from the XoXa regime in Albania, which was one of the two or three most singularly ****ed-up regimes in the commie world. They basically brutalized and terrorized everybody else out of the province as they came in in what amounted to a kind of slow motion land theft.


60 posted on 03/06/2008 5:37:26 PM PST by jeddavis
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