Posted on 04/08/2008 6:06:11 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
They won’t find a ‘god particle’ responsible for ‘helping endow matter with mass’ because they fundamentally misunderstand mass as being a property of matter rather than as an electrical property of space.
Didn’t Einstein mention this somewhere in his ramblings? ;-)
From the ‘questions I am really going to regret asking yet am unable to stop myself file’.
What does “electrical property of space” mean?
Higgs is searching for God-ons but he might find Hell-ons..
???
In any case, mass is a self-energy term in the Lagrangian describing the behavior of a quantum field. In current Electro-Weak theory the constant in front of this self-energy term has to be determined for each fermion field in the standard model based on observed experiments. In general, for Non-Abelian Gauge theory, though, the equations are much better behaved if the inherent mass of each field is 0. To get the inherent masses to be 0, we postulate a new field called the Higgs field and show that interaction with this field causes the fermion fields to appear as if they had inherent mass. This had to be assumed to get a sensible Electro-Weak theory, and was used in predicting the masses and coupling strengths of the W+, W- and Z particles before they were detected in accelerators.
Since assuming the existence of the Higgs field gave correct predictive results in earlier experiments, everyone thinks that it is extremely likely that it or something basically like it exists. However, there are a huge number of ways that you can get the Higgs effect with multiple fields as well as the simple one field model. So the exact details of what is going on are fairly murky. Exciting the Higgs field directly, instead of inferring the effect from lower energy experiments, is the only way to get more real knowledge of what is occurring.
In addition, all of the fields we know of, such as the electron field, photon field, etc. have values of 0 when no energy is present. The Higgs, however, is expected to have a non-zero value in the vacuum. By analogy, therefore, this piece of scientific knowledge would be on-par with the original discovery of barometric pressure or the first creation of a vacuum, which is a really big deal. If you think of discovering normal quantum fields as finding objects in a room, this is more like pulling aside a veil aside to reveal another room.
All I have to say in response to your post is...
HUH????????
I was throwing down the gauntlet and daring him to debate me.
Basically, if you follow particle physics, the Higgs field is the big current “?”, therefore the answer should be a really big “!”.
bump
Exactly. What you said.
Veteran physicist hopes secret of universe lies underground
AFP via Yahoo! | 04/07/08 | Patrick Baert
Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 12:18:54 PM by Brilliant
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1997962/posts
I love it when they talk. It makes a shiver go up my leg.
Seems to be a lot of that goin’ around.
I heard Glenn Beck talking about this today. He said that scientists were pretty sure this wouldn’t turn the earth into a black hole or end the universe or anything. He said something to the effect “Pretty sure? Isn’t that something that you’d want to be really, really sure about?” Just sayin’.
The good news is we will never know what hit us.
These folks know they are working with more unknowns than they care to admit. Thus the reason for the lack of coverage and why most people have no clue what this project is dealing with. In 1941, the U.S. detonated it’s first nuclear explosion. In 2008 the World will detonate it’s first nuclear Implosion. Basically what this thing will do will be to pack as much energy released from the first atomic bomb into an area the size of an atom. In my opinion the research isn’t about finding a supposed particle of physics, which it may/may not do. The real purpose is to create and sustain black holes for further research. Obviously, the reward for controlling the power of a black hole will be immense. But so will be the demise if it escapes and lingers unstoppable. Yes, this research will be the precurser to Warp drive mechanics, matter replication and indeed the possibility to recreate new life forms altogether. Harnessing the powers of a black hole is beyond most peoples imagination I suspect.
In 2008 the World will detonate it’s first nuclear Implosion. [on this scale]
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