Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh

The Australian ^ | 23 April 2008 | Phil Chapman

[Redcloak]

I was just now looking at some of the latest solar images from SOHO and various ground based observatories. The sun is spooky quiet.

[AlexW]

“you can actually put the world’s population in the state of texas”

Yes, I remember when Texas was the model, but that was maybe 10 years ago. With Alaska, you would have an acre for about 20 people.

This is, of course, just a little mental exercise to put population density in perspective.

[fschmieg]

This is no joke. I heard a respected climatologist a year ago on c-span who presented evidence at a conference for us being in a mini-ice age right now, with the little warming that has caused all of the alarm just a reaction of the earth to try to warm things back up. But he believed that soon, no later than 50 years probably less, we will see a huge plummet in temperature. Of course, no one wanted to take him seriously despite his PhD, decades of experience, and reams of evidence.

[Bitsy]

I thought I saw Gore picking up an unemployment check yesterday.

I thought Gore was the democratic savior over Hill & bama.

[Politicalmom]

A burning fireplace all year around? Bliss!!

[AlexW]

“We don’t have periods in our planetary history recorded as the great Hot Ages.”

Well we do know quite a bit about the MWP (medieval warm period) which lasted about 400 years.
It was a time when Europe flourished, and preceded the “little ice age”.

If I am not mistaken, MWP temps were as warm, or warmer then today.
It is when Greenland was settled.

[biff]

Hey, where might your west Texas be? Me, I am tired of living next door to hell for 8 months out of the year and am ready for somebody to turn down the thermostat!!

[Boonie]

Yep...I agree about the density perspective....Some people just don’t realize how big this planet really is...man is really insignificant when it comes to the scale of the planet....

[Mygirlsmom]

I notice LESS hair growing on my head, what does that mean?

Better buy more hats?

[TheDon]

Global warming is a blessing to mankind and the rest of life on earth. There is no way to sustain our population without it. The coming ice age is what should be feared.

[Mygirlsmom]

Let's see,... concoct a crisis, provide cure for crisis, crisis ended ahead of schedule, proclaim self victorious.

Lather, rinse, repeat. You think ol' Al is gonna let being wrong again stop him? He'll become the new Disciple of Ice and start peddling some lame-@ss "solutions" to re-warm the planet that involve giving him lots of dough.

[Myrddin]

While true it is interesting how there was such a balance in these things until the government got involved.

The government is causing the problem. Subsidizing corn based ethanol drives farmers to plant corn in favor of other crops and sell as much as possible to the ethanol producers. That causes shortages of all food crops and higher prices for scarcer commodities. Our domestic oil supplies and refining capability are being suppressed by the politicians who support the eco-weenies. It's all artificially caused by government meddling.

[edcoil]

In the 6,000 years of modern recorded history, no government led its people anywhere except into the history books with a single lesson - don’t let this happen to you.

Our founding fathers understood this and demanded a small government.

It created the Declaration of Independence that defined a free people and where those rights came from. It outlined a Constitution on how those people should manage its government.

All that started slipping away in the 1960’s and for the 40 years democrats ran our country and left us where we are today.

[CRBDeuce]

Truth be told, even Saint Al has covered that possibility by changing his tune to Climate Change, in lieu of his patented Gorebull Worming! It is the sense of this august body, I'm certain, that one sunspot now is simply affirmation of our normal 22 year sunspot cycle? We're now at the nadir of the cycle, moving from cycle 23 to cycle 24:"We have two solar cycles in progress at the same time. Solar Cycle 24 has begun (the first new-cycle spot appeared in January 2008), but Solar Cycle 23 has not ended."

[browardchad]

Ha! Lower A/C bills! Reduced carbon footprint!

It all kind of gives you hope as we head into the long summer of our discontent.

[Myrddin]

I think it started downhill with the income tax and the advent of social security. Government grows in proportion to the financial resources at its disposal. The current government is even happy to print money to buy anything it wants. If we don't clamp down on this behavior fairly soon, we are going to be a 3rd world country.

[arthurus]

The goal of the GW crowd is total control. GW is merely the excuse for control. It works better these days than “Workers of the world, Arise! You have nothing to lose but your chains!”

[Mugwump]

“All that started slipping away in the 1960’s and for the 40 years democrats ran our country and left us where we are today.”
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Actually, it started 70 or 80 years before that. The socialist movement goes back to the days of the plutocrats and industry barons in America. It started about the same time in Europe.

Think “League of Nations,” “Frankfurt School,” and “The Fabian Society” to name three. Everything you see today has far less to do with ‘60s radicals than those who came before them.

We have to remind ourselves that Marxism is elitism. Less than 2,000 words into “The Communist Manifesto,” Marx states that only the elite can understand economics — and it’s the elites of the day who get to tell the rest of us who the elites really are. (Of course, they ain’t *us*.)

Another poster here at FR has said we’re returning to the concept of royalty, and I agree with him 100 percent. The middle class is a horrific affront to those who think themselves better than we are. That’s why they’re not listening to us anymore.

That’s right — it doesn’t simply *seem* like we’re being ignored by our politicians and their hangers-on: We are most definitely being ignored, and studiously so, at that.

We are reaching a point where there is an increasing likelihood of violence if we are to retain what we once had as a proud nation. Otherwise we will all become serfs, dependent on our “betters” for whatever we have to sustain ourselves with.

Don’t misunderstand, I’m not calling for violence; I’m too old. I just see it as an inevitability if our ruling class keeps up its current level of arrogance.

[mtbopfuyn]

I wasted some time with a calculator and you can actually put the world’s population in the state of texas

And it seems they're already here. Just 15 years ago, I could drive 20 miles to town without seeing more than 6 cars. Today, it's nearly like rush hour between the illegals and the danged northernern know-it-alls who have moved in. They're more than welcome to move on up to Alaska.

[backhoe]

So, “Fallen Angels” was prescient after all...

http://www.baen.com/library/067172052X/067172052X.htm

http://www.webscription.net/p-137-fallen-angels.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Pournelle