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Ancient Vegetation, Insect Fossils Found in Antarctica
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Posted on 08/05/2008 9:56:54 AM PDT by Scythian

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Thanks colorado tanker.

Any anthropogenic climate change malarkey? I don't know, but part of Antarctica had a temperate climate less than 3 million years ago.

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21 posted on 08/05/2008 10:22:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Scythian
some species of diatoms and mosses are indistinguishable from living creatures

So, "millions of years" of "evolution" through natural selection have left these organisms indistinguishable from today's living creatures... hmmm... must be something wrong here... oh well, I'll just ignore this anomaly and keep on declaring "millions of years" because the alternative has consequences for me and my life... /s

22 posted on 08/05/2008 10:25:10 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Red Badger

She has a few miles on her but still good to go ;)


23 posted on 08/05/2008 10:25:54 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: SunkenCiv
The ancient Antarcticans didn't have SUV’s and look what they got for that - a continent mostly covered in ice!
24 posted on 08/05/2008 10:26:49 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: Scythian
Thousands of years, not millions.

And your evidence for this is?

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25 posted on 08/05/2008 10:29:37 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Scythian

“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.”

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

“A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9He who has ears, let him hear.”

IE... Don’t waste your time.


26 posted on 08/05/2008 10:36:24 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
Don’t waste your time.

In other words, don't bother to try to defend religious belief where it conflicts with scientific evidence.

That's actually good advice. Religious belief has a very poor track record when it opposes science.

27 posted on 08/05/2008 10:45:07 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

On the contrary, the gospel doesn’t need “defending”.

You’ve declared yourself wiser than God. Have fun.


28 posted on 08/05/2008 10:47:31 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Scythian

interesting


29 posted on 08/05/2008 10:48:13 AM PDT by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: Coyoteman
Doc, I'm using this as a place marker.
30 posted on 08/05/2008 10:50:28 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

31 posted on 08/05/2008 10:54:21 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: MrB
On the contrary, the gospel doesn’t need “defending”.

The gospel does not require a 6,000 year old universe.

And the scientific evidence makes that belief completely untenable.

32 posted on 08/05/2008 10:55:45 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Scythian

Nothing new. Lots of evidence for Neogene vegetation in numerous areas of Antarctica. Not only was the climate likely different, but Antartica was in a different place. Assuming an average rate of 1cm per year movement of continental crust, any given spot in Antarctica was 140 km away from where it is today.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2002AM/finalprogram/session_2865.htm


33 posted on 08/05/2008 11:24:16 AM PDT by centurion316
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How about this quote: “Those who claim science and religion are incompatible are missing the point.” -Doctor Who

:p :p :p


34 posted on 08/05/2008 11:42:31 AM PDT by Ellendra (Most eco-freaks wouldn't know nature if it bit them on the butt . . . and it often does!)
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To: Scythian

“The really cool thing is that all the details are still there,” even though the plant has been dead for 14 million years. “These are actually the plant tissues themselves.”


And they redicule me for believing in the bible ... 14 million years, ya right”

So, you don’t believe living things may have existed before the strict Biblical time period, eh?

In refutation, allow me to present Exhibit A - - Helen Thomas.

In deference to the gag reflexes of the FR community I shall refrain from posting photographic (very ‘graphic’) evidence of this Exhibit A.


35 posted on 08/05/2008 11:48:46 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Ellendra

Doctor Who - I like the show...

If that character were real, he’d laugh at the inaccuracies that are in our contemporary scientific understanding of the universe, because most of it is probably wrong, and needs to change. The arrogance of man to say that his reason should be accepted as truth...

Another source, however, has never had to change, because the Author knows His Creation.


36 posted on 08/05/2008 11:49:56 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

‘Doctor Who’

I liked those Doctor Who shows back from the 1980’s 90’s.


37 posted on 08/05/2008 12:18:34 PM PDT by valkyry1
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For 50 million years the Earth has been cooling, he said. "As it cools it crosses thresholds. This is one, when Antarctica became permanently frozen and locked up."

"You have to understand where these thresholds are," he added, "Because, if human beings are unfortunate enough to push climate over one of these thresholds, it could be a total catastrophe."

There is the Idiot of the Month statement. Is he afraid we will reverse a 50 million year cooling trend with SUVs? (Yes, he is.) Is he saying that it would be a catastrophe if life were to become more abundant in Antarctica again? (Yes, he is.) Did he just indicate that climate has crossed "thresholds" in both directions for millenia but it's only a catastrophe if humans have some role in it? (Yes, he did.)

If I had a dog this stupid I would neuter it for that reason alone.

38 posted on 08/05/2008 12:18:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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“You have to understand where these thresholds are,” he added, “Because, if human beings are unfortunate enough to push climate over one of these thresholds, it could be a total catastrophe.”

So if we don't *push* the climate (guessing with excess CO2) towards this invisible threshold, it will never happen?

On the other hand, if we start messing with the natural progression of the Earth's climate, we could *push* it back or forward over another catastrophic threshold. Of course, if you're close minded or monetarily obligated to the first thought, you might not see the second one at all.

39 posted on 08/05/2008 12:32:16 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: TigersEye

Really good points, but please dont make any dogs suffer that consequence!


40 posted on 08/05/2008 12:34:05 PM PDT by valkyry1
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