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Posted on 11/12/2008 10:37:18 AM PST by Sub-Driver
Global warming is to inflation as
Ice age is to deflation.
Governments prefer inflation; its easier to deal with or pretend to deal with. Deflation, as we are seeing now, is a real chiller.
No harmful effects that I know of from CO2, of course, you’re right. I was referring to the general trend toward associating concern for the environment with the climate change hucksters, and rejecting any attempts to cut down on pollution.
sort of tangential though. i should have been more clear.
Don't be silly. CO2 is harmless unless you get enough to dilute the oxygen below the life-sustaining point. And REAL pollutants in the air have gone down for decades. The "environmental protection" laws had done their work superbly. Most of what passes for "discussion" today is simply green propaganda pandering to eco-nutcases.
I'm afraid that just ain't so. Lots of things emitted, like mercury, for instance. Not sufficient reason to be against coal-fired power plants, as the levels are VERY low, but lets not have scientific falsehoods on the forum.
I predict that Earth is either going to get warmer, get colder or stay the same. Where’s my money?
10,000 years?
8,000 BC:
Hunter-gatherers in Southeast Asia begin growing crops to supplement their food supply. In the Jordan Valley, a walled settlement exists at Jericho.
Present:
Space travel, nano-tech, nucleonics, carbon fibers
12,000 AD will be well able to cope utilizing technologies we can’t even concieve of...if there is anybody still using earth as anything other than a historical preserve or vacation spot.
Don’t forget the Twinkies! The desert of the ages!
Wealthy societies have the resources to spend on cleaning up their impact on the environment. Look at Russia and China in the 80’s and 90’s for proof.
Our wealth will be distributed in the future by our government making it less likely that we will care about environmental issues. When we are faced with doubling or tripling electric rates to meet the extreme levels of cleanliness that the environmentalists demand, people will look at their empty wallets and their very expensive food and they will choose a little pollution over starving every time.
Would you like the cleanest environment with the least visual impact with the highest quality air? Join the groups pushing to replace our coal plants with nuclear plants.
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I like that closing sentence -- "future decision-making could be made based on scientific data and not on political expediency". I wouldn't count on it, but that would be great.Caves reveal clues to UK weatherAt Pooles Cavern in Derbyshire, it was discovered that the stalagmites grow faster in the winter months when it rains more. Alan Walker, who guides visitors through the caves, says the changes in rainfall are recorded in the stalactites and stalagmites like the growth rings in trees. Stalagmites from a number of caves have now been analysed by Dr Andy Baker at Newcastle University. After splitting and polishing the rock, he can measure its growth precisely and has built up a precipitation history going back thousands of years. His study suggests this autumn's rainfall is not at all unusual when looked at over such a timescale but is well within historic variations. He believes politicians find it expedient to blame a man-made change in our weather rather than addressing the complex scientific picture.
by Tom Heap
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I do not intend to be living on Earth in 10,000 years.
Who wants to bet the earth is self correcting...
The ptarmigans would benefit from it.
“As little as 10,000 years.”
If you look at temperature charts for the last 400,000 to 800,000 years, it looks as if it could start a lot sooner than 10K years. Then again, given recent knowledge about the potential for asteroids, comets, etc. to crash into Earth creating major mess, we have no way of knowing exactly when anything is going to happen.
I also noticed that they referred to a drop in the ocean level of 900 ft with major glaciation. I thought that the maximum lowering of sea level at the end of the last Ice Age was around 400 ft. I don’t trust their figures.
Obama Superstar will save us. /sarc>
“Would you like the cleanest environment with the least visual impact with the highest quality air? Join the groups pushing to replace our coal plants with nuclear plants.”
I have. In fact, I just read a report (http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html) that said coal burning actually exposes the public to 100X the amount of radioactive material as nuclear power, which is interesting. That’s provided nothing goes wrong of course, but I think nuclear power is the lesser danger here personally.
I couldn’t find anything in my search yesterday afternoon regarding coal plant emissions as a whole though really, all anybody talks about is CO2. The report I linked does mention that particulate precipitators are 99.5% efficient in collecting ash, but I am not a scientist or anything and I don’t know if that covers all combustion emissions or what. I guess it can’t cover all gases, being particulate, so the Nitrogen and Sulphur Oxides wouldn’t be affected.
Anyway, nobody asked for that but I read it and there you go. I grew up in a valley outside L.A. where the pollution gets trapped by the mountains, and causes a huge amount of health problems in the young and infirm, so I guess I’m more concerned than some about these things.
It IS time to be rid of the internal combustion engine for personal transportation. Battery packs could be made interchangeable so you don't have to worry about long distance travel and multi-hour charge times. You pull into a recharge station and your battery is swapped for a full one in minutes. If you are not traveling, you can recharge at home.
Nukes and electric cars = starving terrorist states.
Now if we can only convince the environmentalist to let us upgrade our electric transmission system and build nukes.
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