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1709: The year that Europe froze (even the Mediterranean iced over)
New Scientist ^ | 07 February 2009 | Stephanie Pain

Posted on 02/08/2009 4:10:26 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: muawiyah

When I was a kid I remember the Russians thinking about arial dusting of the ice fields with carbon black to warm things up.


61 posted on 02/08/2009 8:13:03 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: RegulatorCountry

To the curse of devastation was added an unkind prank of nature, when at the end of 1708 a winter, cruel beyond the precedent of a century, set in to blight the region. As early as the beginning of October the cold was intense, and by November 1st, it was said, firewood would not burn in the open air! In January of 1709 wine and spirits froze into solid blocks of ice; birds on the wing fell dead; and, it is said, saliva congealed in its fall from the mouth to the ground.(11)

Most of Western Europe was frozen tight. The Seine and all the other rivers were ice-bound and on the 8th of January, the Rhone, one of the most rapid rivers of Europe, was covered with ice. But what had never been seen before, the sea froze sufficiently all along the coasts to bear carts, even heavily laden. (12)

Narcissus Luttrell, a famous English diarist of that day, wrote of the great violence of the frost in England and in foreign parts, where several men were frozen to death in many countries. The Arctic weather lasted well into the fourth month. Perhaps THE EARLY PALATINE EMIGRATION 5 the period of heaviest frost was from the 6th to the 25th of January. Then snow fell until February 6th.

14 The fruit trees were killed and the vines were destroyed. The calamity of this unusually bitter weather fell heavily on the husbandman and vine-dressers, who in consequence made up more than half of the emigrants Of 1709. “

Other influences almost as malign, though of a more chronic nature, were disturbing the inhabitants of the Rhine Valley. The splendor of Versailles had dazzled many petty rulers of Germany, who sought to emulate the gorgeous court life surrounding Louis XIV. The expenses of their lavish and arrogant living had to be met by heavy taxes on their subjects, often so exhausting as to leave the peasants themselves with- out bread. Naturally bitter feelings were aroused against the ruling class, who called themselves fathers of the people without exhibiting any traces of fatherly care for their wel- fare. The need for money to carry on war too made the taxes mount higher day by day.

A letter from the Palatinate in i 68 i mentioned that “Thousands would gladly leave the Father- land if they had the means to do so,” because of the French devastation and “besides this, we are now suffering the plague of high taxes.”,, Conditions did not improve during the next twenty-five years apparently, for an unbiased report from the Palatines waiting in Holland for transportation to England stated they came flying “to shake of the burdens they ly under by the hardshipps of their Princes governments and the contributions they must pay to the Enemy. “(17)

Therefore, oppressive feudal exactions by the petty rulers may be regarded as one of the underlying reasons for the emigration.(18)

http://www.horseshoe.cc/pennadutch/history/european/knittle.htm


62 posted on 02/08/2009 8:16:24 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: sphinx
Queen Anne's War (1702–1713) ~ there's your touchstone for "whas hoppen America" in/about 1709.

One thing I noticed was the Brits were unable to take Lower Canada in 1710 ~ jus' couldn't do it.

Probably darned cold!

63 posted on 02/08/2009 8:25:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Nowhere Man; Defiant

The lakes in Moraine State Park (near Butler, 15-20 miles south of I-80) are glacial in origin. That I-80 corridor would be about the northern edge for sure.

(And I thought the snow was bad in Erie now!)


64 posted on 02/08/2009 8:30:20 PM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I’d think Siberian breeds would be better equipped for killing cold than French ones.

Oh, I agree. But also look at the temp difference between Siberia and the article.

The Euro-bunnies should not have frozen to death at the temps stated.

The Eurobunnies did die...documented.

Ergo, there is either something wrong with the stated temps; or, the bunnies died from other reasons, then froze.

My vote is for the temps not being correctly stated; or, it was a heck of a lot warmer where the temps were taken, than where the Eurobunnies froze to death in their burrows.

Something, besides the twisted conclussion of the article, seems off; and I doubt it is the historical facts themselves.

65 posted on 02/08/2009 8:32:41 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (I've never been so globally warm, as when I'm freezing!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
There were a variety of German speaking groups found throughout France, not just in Alsace. One group literally "walked" down the Moselle to someplace where they could be bothersome to the King of England.

He was tired of finding places to stow refugees in England so he shipped them to America ~ one part eventually ended up in Pennsylvania and became rather famous. A less well known but certainly far more important group were dropped off in New York. They ended up at Palatine Bridge.

These guys serve as "ancestors" for just about everybody in America.

Without digging back through my sources I know already that different bunches of Palitinates came to America at different times, but the group that made the big splash in all the history books in the 1800s arrived no earlier than 1709.

66 posted on 02/08/2009 8:33:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Nowhere Man
1992 was the year.

Now that you mention it, yep. It must have taken a while for the dust to cross to the northern hemisphere. Actuary tables would verify the payout...

67 posted on 02/08/2009 8:37:57 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (Just part of the cleanup crew.)
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To: Rastus

I thought pork was supposed to be dead before you brine it?


68 posted on 02/08/2009 8:39:59 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ApplegateRanch
Something, besides the twisted conclusion of the article, seems off; and I doubt it is the historical facts themselves.

They're engaging in a revisionist form of historicism, molding the past through the lens of modernity, to fit a predetermined agenda. This is typically seen most often, in the United States at least, with interpretations of motivations leading to the Civil War that end up making certain figures sound hilariously psychic. But, the Global Warmists are making a great deal of headway, and will soon take the lead.

69 posted on 02/08/2009 8:47:38 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Livestock died from cold in their barns, chicken's combs froze and fell off, trees exploded

What is so strange about that. I remember the same things happening in the middle and late 1970's. We live in North Central Penna. Saw and heard it first hand. Our roosters experienced their combs freezing and falling off. It did not kill them. Yes the coop was heated with low hanging light bulbs in cages. And trees really do freeze and let out a loud cracking sound. You can still see where the tree crack and closed back up in the Spring.

70 posted on 02/08/2009 9:12:39 PM PST by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Should have recognized it. I’ve been out of school & living retired in the boonies way too long...or not long enough.


71 posted on 02/08/2009 9:25:25 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (I've never been so globally warm, as when I'm freezing!)
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To: Dustbunny

The old letters and accounts I saw, written in German, described trees shattering like broken glass. This is in a climate with olive trees and vineyards, very unusual and destructive.


72 posted on 02/08/2009 9:26:59 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ApplegateRanch

Time away from the lunacy provides more and more clarity, the longer you’re removed, imho.


73 posted on 02/08/2009 9:29:46 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ApplegateRanch
Ergo, there is either something wrong with the stated temps; ...

I'd vote with you. From Jack London's To Build a Fire, the trapper knew that spittle would crackle when it hit the ground at -50 F. His crackled in the air. The author interjected that the temperature was closer to -75 F.

From the stories above about 1709, I'd guess the temperatures in some of those places reached -40 F or -50 F.

74 posted on 02/08/2009 11:40:14 PM PST by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: meadsjn

The easiest massage of the data is for the creeps to have NOT converted the temps, but simply put a ‘C’ after them.

The logs would not have specified scale, since only ONE scale was in use!

The recorded temps were from one of the contemporary “heat islands” of the day, London. I’m sure it was much colder inland, in the Continental countryside.

I was thinking about the temps related to the spittle cracking, but couldn’t remember the source. Thanks!


75 posted on 02/08/2009 11:50:56 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (I've never been so globally warm, as when I'm freezing!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Admin Moderator

The Mediterranean didn’t have ice according to the story, just the lagoons of Venice off the Adriatic Sea as indicated at the start of the story by the source.


76 posted on 02/09/2009 12:12:20 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: aculeus

Wow.


77 posted on 02/09/2009 5:39:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BohDaThone
the year without a winter

You mean the year without a summer, IMHO.

78 posted on 02/09/2009 6:37:44 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: muawiyah
It's hard to believe there are people actually talking about making this place colder ~ last thing we may need shortly.

The global warming cultists will cling to their views even as the glaciers are scraping them off Manhattan Island.

79 posted on 02/09/2009 9:27:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Defiant
There has been a quite serious 2 million year long coldspell. It is interspersed with very short duration "interglacials" (of about 10,000 to 15,000 years).

Normal is cold. Warm is not normal.

80 posted on 02/09/2009 9:41:21 AM PST by muawiyah
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