Sun survey reveals least activity since 1913

Fairbanks Daily News-Miner ^ | April 6, 2009 | Seth Borenstein

[swatbuznik]

How long did the “Maunder Minimum” last? Should I be thinking about a southern relocation?

[DB]

“even the effects of man made global warming are marginally reduced, though just by three-tenths of a degree at most”

The simple truth is they have no idea how much it accounts for. But since it doesn't help the party line it must be discounted.

[SuziQ]

A deep minimum probably drops global temperatures temporarily about two-tenths to three-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit, not nearly enough to make up for global warming, said Tom Woods of the University of Colorado’s atmospheric and space physics lab.

Like a dog with a bone. They just don't want to let it go. Sure global warming will return, just as soon as the sun starts gearing up the sunspots, just like it has always happened, mostly with regularity, for many, many years.

[Islander7]

The Maunder minimum is the name given to a period of extreme solar inactivity that occurred between 1645 and 1710. Of particular interest is that this period of inactivity corresponds closely to one of the coldest periods of the so-called "Little Ice Age" in Europe, a time of long, cold winters that caused severe hardships in the pre-industrial revolution world. This has led scientists to extensively study the possible influences of solar activity on terrestrial climate, as well as examine other stars for evidence of activity cycle behavior similar to the Sun's.

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It lasted a long time! 65 years to exact. I'm in a 'Southern Location'. On the Gulf of Mexico in sunny Mississippi.

Frost advisories for tonight. Helped my landlord wrap her orange and peach trees to save the young fruits.

[SuziQ]

Have you read "The Chilling Stars: A Cosmic View of Climate Change", by Henrik Svensmark? He not only mentions the cosmic rays, but also discusses at length the possible reasons for "Snowball Earth", and theorizes about how the movement of Sun and the planets through the Milky Way might also affect the overall climate of the Earth. He pulls together evidence from astronomy and biology, as well as geology to support his ideas.

It's a fascinating book, and a pretty easy read, even for those not very science oriented.

[SuziQ]

And, if you act now, we will also sent you this handy Cap & Trade Easy Reference Guide. All 3,976 pages - yours absolutely free, but you must act NOW!

All they're missing is Billy Mays or the Sham Wow! guy, but then they probably know that if they used them, folks would just tune them out. ;o)

[Quix]

THANKS.

[Star Traveler]

I just looked it up on Amazon and read one review...

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A very readable book that makes strong case for effects of cosmic rays on cloud formation and hence on climate change. Because the basic theory is that fluctuations in the sun’s magnetic field affect cosmic ray intensity on earth, there is considerable material on astronomy (cosmic rays, supernovas etc.) which provides the background needed to understand the discussion. In essence, more solar magnetic storms strengthen the sun’s magnetic field which divert cosmic rays from earth. Cosmic rate create ions that provide nuclei for cloud formation. More nuclei mean more low clouds and more reflective clouds which in turn cool the earth, (except over Anartica and other ice covered areas, since snow and ice actually reflect even more sunlight than clouds).

The author (a Danish scientists who did much of the key work in this area) has been able to produce the effect in the laboratory and has documented the statistical relationship with low level clouds and surface temperatures. Many climate episodes over millions of years appear to be explained by cosmic ray effects. The theory also explains how differing number of sun spots come to affect year to year climate change on earth.

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And I see that this is precisely the mechanism that I’m talking (that I’ve read about before) that is creating the fluctations in the climate (from Global Warming to Global Cooling, changing all the time...).

People need to get that book if it helps them understand and discuss the issue with everyone else...

I’m currently looking at that documentary that I mentioned (once again...)...
“The Great Global Warming Swindle”

[Mike Darancette]

1912-1917 was the coldest 6 year period in the United States since 1900.

[SuziQ]

Frost advisories for tonight.

Ha! SirKit's brother has been calling us on sunny days from Gulfport to rub it in, cause it's still cold up here in MA.

We're planning to move down there, when we get the house remodeled and sold. We've been threatening for two years, and our families, at this point have just said, "We'll see you when we see you". LOL!

We're hoping we won't be here for another winter, and I'll gladly endure a few frosty days in the Sunny South, instead of several months of them up here!

[Islander7]

It’s been a tough winter down here this year, Suzi. We had below freezing temps for 10 nights!

[neverdem]

Montana Poised to Buck Federal Gun Control

Time to settle on one green path The article is nuts. The thread is interesting.

Judge Orders Investigation of Stevens Prosecutors

Rush Job - Doctors and students unite against socialized medicine.

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[mountn man]

If you look up the “Maunder Minimum” on the web... you’ll find information there about the “Little Ice Age” in connection with that, too. This solar minimum that we’re in could result in some dramatic cooling of the planet, instead of so-called “global warming”, as some have been saying. In fact, I would say that it’s pretty “solid” that our warming and cooling spells on this planet (and in the solar system, too) are related to the sunspots and the increase and decrease of them. The so-called “global warming” has nothing to do with “greenhouse gasses” and the CO2 concentrations. It has everything to do with the sunspot activity...

I think it also better explains why a few years ago they were finding that some planets and/or their moons were warming.

Either SUV's were causing global warming on Mars and Europa, or there was another cause. And if there was another cause causing warming in other areas of the solar system, was it possible that that same cause were the cause of warming of the Earth?

[ArmyTeach]

From my reading, solar activity can be deduced from fossil evidence from trees, for one thing. There are any number of other geological hints that can indicate levels of solar activity. The Dalton minimum is historical, but for the earlier Maunder minimum - which was really wicked - you have to look at the geological evidence.
Nope, I'm no solar or climatology expert. I just read everything I come across.
I'm trying to figure out what Euro-liberal rag you might be referring to? :-)

[mountn man]

I thought I've read a few times where the cooling thats happened the last few years has already negated the supposed 1 degree rise from Gorbull Warming.

So, in 3 years when we find out that we are actually 1 degree cooler than we were 100 years ago, will we suddenly have to do other things, and "create" new technologies, and be taxed more to implement these things and technologies, to overcome all the over compensating we're doing now?

[ArmyTeach]

ping! Good reading.

[BIGLOOK]

The article you'd posted previously on the Solar Minimum was very educating and insightful.

Too bad the DPRK didn't have more success with their missile launch during this time of low solar activity.....seems it would favor their technological abilities.

Take it with a grain of salt...and don't tell 'em.

[TigersEye]

...even the effects of manmade global warming are marginally reduced, though just by three-tenths of a degree at most...

Arghhhhhhhhh! Just exactly three-tenths of a degree? My what a precise computer model, that doesn't work when you put in actual data, that Global Warming model must be. /s

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[I got the rope]