EU: Earth warming faster

Reuters via Yahoo ^ | Tue Apr 7, 1:03 pm ET

[gondramB]

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>> Nine of 11 experts, who were among authors of the final summary by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007 (IPCC)

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Now there’s an unbiased sample with no agenda to interfere with their objective judgment.
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Yeah I’m not so much focused on that part as the uncertainty that I have not see reported before.

Nor particulates contributing half as much as CO2.

The rest of it is just the same stuff we’ve discussed before.

[bigheadfred]

There is nothing to fear. Seeing how Obama is handing over the keys to the country to the Islamofascists, it won’t be long before we aren’t burning any fossil fuels. We’ll all be burning camelsh*t to stay warm. Problem solved.

[ETL]

From The Washington Times, January 12, 2009

Obama climate czar has socialist ties
Group sees 'global governance' as solution

by Stephen Dinan

Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

lots more...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/12/obama-climate-czar-has-socialist-ties/
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Obama's "Climate Czar" is on the same page with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro...

From GreenLeft.org

VENEZUELA: Chavez calls for global offensive for socialism
August 31, 2005

excerpts...

"The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet."

"I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don't think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, 'tomorrow could be too late, let's do now what we need to do'."

"I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet."

--Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/640/640p16.htm
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Here's a Google cache of the Socialist International's page that included Obama's "Climate Czar" Carol Browner. It was found by FReeper, Publius6961....

[Flycatcher]

I have read (and will look for a source) that the last two years are still among the 10 hottest on record.

You'll find it in the comic book section, right next to Obama's two hagiographic autobiographies.

[THX 1138]

Maybe I’m just too optimistic but I’m betting the downturn in the economy will make people a little less enviro-wacky.

I guess it depends on what "people" you're talking about.

The average person (I talk to a lot of people in my business) chuckles when I bring up global warming.

The demo-fascists don't give a damn about the facts, it's full steam ahead for demonizing carbon.

[ChildOfThe60s]

[Zeppelin]

Maybe I’m just too optimistic but I’m betting the downturn in the economy will make people a little less enviro-wacky.

No, that's true, and that's going to happen...but as long as the ones in power keep the wool over Americans' eyes and continue to push legislastion through faster than anyone can read it, then it doesn't matter what the people think regarding global warming theory...or any other issue for that matter.

[Always Right]

I have read (and will look for a source) that the last two years are still among the 10 hottest on record.

Check the front page of the December 10th issue of the New York times for the last 20 years. Every year is always the hottest on record. Of course this is before the year is even over.

[norwaypinesavage]

Not only is science not made using concensus, it is certainly not made using polls.

[TN4Liberty]

Global warming is likely to overshoot a 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 F) rise seen by the European Union and many developing nations as a trigger for "dangerous" change, a Reuters poll of scientists showed on Tuesday.

Am I reading this right? They did a survey on what scientists think the data will show when it comes in? Honestly, can anyone be considered a scientist who would answer a "survey question" on what they think future data will show? Wouldn't a scientist insist on waiting for the data?

[ETL]

The Cooling World
Newsweek, April 28, 1975

There are ominous signs that the Earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production– with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self- sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars' worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world's weather. The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth's climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.

"A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale," warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, "because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century."

A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.

To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth's average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras – and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average. Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the "little ice age" conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between 1600 and 1900 – years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River almost as far south as New York City.

Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. "Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data," concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. "Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions."

Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases – all of which have a direct impact on food supplies.

"The world's food-producing system," warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA's Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, "is much more sensitive to the weather variable than it was even five years ago." Furthermore, the growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as they did during past famines.

Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.

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The Cooling World:
http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Original Newsweek article with scary maps and graphs:
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

[Flycatcher]

Problem solved.

LOL. Yep. If the Somali pirates don't get us, Obama will make sure we all live like Somali pirates.

[mamelukesabre]

Not fast enough for me. I’m still cold.

[gondramB]

Hey that's just like the Obama economic plan!!

[Cyberrat]

"EU: Earth warming faster"

Yeah, it's called Spring!

[gondramB]

>>The Cooling World
Newsweek, April 28, 1975<<

Yep, there were plenty of articles like that.

One of the problems with blaming all the global warming on CO2 is that warming stopped between 1945 and 1976.

But by the 80’s the glaciers had started retreating and the seas were rising so that President Reagan established the National Snow and Ice Data Center to study the problem.

[gondramB]

>>Am I reading this right? They did a survey on what scientists think the data will show when it comes in? Honestly, can anyone be considered a scientist who would answer a “survey question” on what they think future data will show? Wouldn’t a scientist insist on waiting for the data? <<

Well, with climate, even more than severe weather, there is an argument for trying to correctly predict what will happen so we can minimize the effects.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

A few interesting notes:

Of the scientists mentioned, William Hare has the interesting distinction of sharing the name of the infamous William Hare of the duo of Burke and Hare, who murdered people to sell their bodies to medical schools.

Salemeel(sic) Huq, actually Saleemul Huq, is a big time advocate of both climate change, and how the wealthy countries of the world must pour money into Bangladesh, his home country.

David Karoly seems to be of the same school as James E. Hansen of NASA’s GISS, a true believer who cannot be swayed by argument or facts.

[stevem]

Global warming is likely to overshoot a 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 F) rise seen by the European Union and many developing nations as a trigger for "dangerous" change, a Reuters poll of scientists showed on Tuesday.

Nine of 11 experts, who were among authors of the final summary by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007 (IPCC), also said the evidence that mankind was to blame for climate change had grown stronger in the past two years.

Since the average temperature of our little world has been dropping for about ten years, and falling like a stone for the last two, the only explanation is these people are insane to be even having such a discussion.

These people are flat out insane.

How do you argue or discuss anything with insane people?

[Flycatcher]

One of the problems with blaming all the global warming on CO2 is that warming stopped between 1945 and 1976.

Another problem with blaming all the global warming on CO2 is that CO2 doesn't cause global warming.