Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"?

National Geographic News ^ | May 4, 2009 | Anne Minard

[mcshot]

hese idiots are beyond embarrassment. If they weren’t they be afraid to show their face in public. I know I couldn’t.
They just know no shame.

[Army Air Corps]

"...Sun's output variability is 2,500 times as powerful as CO2 concentrations.

Yup. AGW cultists rarely have any concept as to just how flippin' huge an powerful our little star is. When you begin to break it down for them, they cannot believe it. When they learn how much energy the Sun generates in an hour, their eyes go wide.

[P-Marlowe]

In general, recent research has been building a case that the sun has a slightly bigger influence on Earth's climate than most theories have predicted.

Ok, that has to be the stupidest statement ever printed.

[Williams]

I believe the reference to CO2 being higher than “normal” is eroneous. It has been higher in Earth’s history.

And the argumnt that 50 or 60% more co2 has a greater effect than a tiny change in solar activity is laughable. Similar “tiny” solar changes caused the little ice age because the Sun’s influence is so powrful.

[Post Toasties]

"There are many uncertainties," said Jose Abreu, a doctoral candidate at the Swiss government's research institute Eawag.

"We don't know the sensitivity of the climate to changes in solar intensity. In my opinion, I wouldn't play with things I don't know."

It's a shame Al Gore is too damned stupid to understand this.

[grey_whiskers]

"I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down," Lockwood said. "I think that helps keep it in perspective."

1% of a large number is a much greater influence than 50% of a small number.

As if the solar irradiation were the problem, rather than the magnetic effects and solar wind.

Dipsh*t.

[az_gila]

“I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down,” Lockwood said. “I think that helps keep it in perspective.”

Wow! What backward logic. If 50 years Global Warming coincident with 50-60% rise in CO2 has been wiped out in the last eight years by solar output declining 0.02% logic says that the Sun's output variability is 2,500 times as powerful as CO2 concentrations.

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Now you are confusing the matter with facts and data. /s

[cpdiii]

In general, recent research has been building a case that the sun has a slightly bigger influence on Earth's climate than most theories have predicted.

Idiots!!! The sun is the source of almost all the surface and atmospheric heating. Using their logic, if the sun stopped shining it would only make a minor difference in the temperature of the earth.

[Winstons Julia]

“preemptive denial”

ROFL.

[Post Toasties]

Using their logic, if the sun stopped shining it would only make a minor difference in the temperature of the earth.

With the hot air and lies of Gore and Hansen on their side, the alarmists were getting ready to disenfranchise the sun.

[dragnet2]

Yup. AGW cultists rarely have any concept as to just how flippin' huge an powerful our little star is. When you begin to break it down for them, they cannot believe it.

Some of these people don't even realize it's a star, because it's the "Sun".

I met some of these people that thought the moon generated it's own light, as they had not a clue it was just reflecting starlight. These people are totally wrapped up in their own tiny political realm, and so convinced external forces do not have any effect on this planet...We'll, they are just beyond help.

[Post Toasties]

He and other researchers are therefore engaged in what they call "preemptive denial" of a solar minimum leading to global cooling.

Sorry, but they're not the biggest deniers in the game. The AGW alarmists are.

[BIGLOOK]

I'm surprised that this is from National Geographic, once a venerable source of knowledge until it fell under the spell of politically motivated popular Jeremiahs. But then evidence is the cure.

Now we are dealing with time....the time it takes to reverse idiocy to rationalism and empiricism again, a polar shift of stunted scientific teaching.

[RJL]

"I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down," Lockwood said. "I think that helps keep it in perspective."

Which proves how little C02 plays in our climate, while the Sun's "few hundredths of one percent down" truly does affect our climate.

[CitizenM]

What...no more worry about Global Warming? Algore must have stopped breathing and so now the hot air on this planet is - Allgone !

[Post Toasties]

Now we are dealing with time....the time it takes to reverse idiocy to rationalism and empiricism again, a polar shift of stunted scientific teaching.

Of course, for the alarmists, there are no such things as rationalism and empiricism. They deal only in apocalyptic predictions and emotional power plays. It'll be interesting to see how many of this noisome AGW crowd will veer to the other extreme if and when the current cooling trend persists.

[dragnet2]

I rarely comment on people like Gore. Not worth my time. But he’s like the weird little peddler, rolling into the small town on his wagon, with his elixirs, and potions that will keep the spooks away. The term snake oil salesmen, is way to nice of term for that AH.

This freak is all about control and his selective political game.

[aruanan]

"I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down," Lockwood said. "I think that helps keep it in perspective."

Except that CO2 is not a good "50 to 60 percent higher than normal." The average CO2 for the 19th century was about 330 ppm, with highs as high as almost 500 ppm. And in the context of geological time the present level of CO2 is about as low as it's ever been, dangerously low. Lockwood should be, but apparently isn't, smart enough to realize that small fluctuations in solar output have large effects on earthly climate (as seen by decadal relationships between solar variation and global temperature as well as sea level) whereas increasingly larger amounts of CO2 have demonstrably increasingly smaller effects on global temperature.

[Army Air Corps]

It is really fun to remind them that it is a thermonuclear reactor and that we are bathed in its radiation.

[dusttoyou]

Global warming - Little Ice Age...... which is it? What’s the diff? We can’t expect them to just give our credit cards back.