Posted on 07/26/2009 12:39:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Yes.
Creationism is faith.
It is a theory. But, ironically, both evolution and creationism also involve types of faith, and different world views.
Faith and science coexist peacefully.
It depends on the faith, and it depends on the science. True faith peacefully coexists with true science. True, as in The Truth.
Science should be taught in school.
Yes, and both evolution and creationism should be presented as theories, in a public school setting.
Faith should not be taught as science.
True.
Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible.
Not as the origin of the universe, or of life, especially human life.
Are scientists funding what's taught in science class? Or do you expect everyone to finance what you believe ought to be taught in science class? What makes your discretion so special? Who should decide what's to be taught in math classes? In geometry? English? Literature? History? What's laughingly called the 'Social Sciences"? Ever hear of "Government by the consent of the Governed"? How do you propose to resolve the multitude of inherit contradictions in your belief that what's taught in science class ought to be determined by scientists? Who determines the values that are to be taught concomitant with the teaching of science? The other disciplines? Have you ever thought about what lies just beyond the end of your nose?
“Yes, and both evolution and creationism should be presented as theories, in a public school setting.”
Disagree there. As a Christian, I can state that creationism only exists as a religious concept. It has no scientific basis. It is not a scientific theory, and has no place in a science class.
Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible.
“Or do you expect everyone to finance what you believe ought to be taught in science class? What makes your discretion so special? “
—No, I don’t think my discretion is special. That’s why I would go to the experts in a particular discipline to find out what ought to be taught in that discipline. Do you have a better idea?
“Who should decide what’s to be taught in math classes? In geometry?”
—Mathematicians. Who do you think it should be?
“English? Literature?”
—Scholars and experts in literature. Who do you think it should be?
“History?”
—Hmm, how about historians?
“How do you propose to resolve the multitude of inherit contradictions in your belief that what’s taught in science class ought to be determined by scientists? “
—Such as what contradictions?
“Oh good, then I let’s let the Creation and ID scientists decide, shall we? I don’t see how that would be any different than the Temple of Darwin fanatics who have turned science into a vehicle to promote their evo-religion.”
—You don’t see a difference between teaching - in science class - the theories that the predominate number (to say the least) of scientists believe, versus some fringe group? Really?
Is it just science class where this bizarre logic is followed? How about history class; should holocaust denial be taught just because there are some historians that believe it didn’t occur?
At that’s looking past issues like Creationism not even meeting the qualifications of a scientific theory. If science class isn’t going to be for teaching the scientific method and leading theories, than why have it at all?
“Most Muslim countries teach evolution in the classroom. “
—Not sure about most, certainly the more progressive Muslim nations do to some extent (at least at the university level) - bits and pieces are taught which won’t offend people’s religious sensibilities (e.g. human evolution is off limits). Others won’t touch the subject. Hopefully such political correctness doesn’t pervade american schools.
(In an effort to try to catch up with more advanced nations, Saudi Arabia is building a multibillion dollar university where religious censors will effectively be barred and thus science and technology will be free to flourish.)
“So I quite agree, the science relating to origins and diversity must really suck over there.”
—Compared to what?
Your statement is not factual. Creationism exists as a theory as posited by Aristotle's "First Cause" argument, which was later amplified by Thomas Aquinas. These men used empiricism and reasoning, i.e., the scientific method, to arrive at their conclusions.
Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible.
Regarding the origin of the universe, and the origin of life, they are not.
Thanks for the ping!
And they should teach the theory of evolution in Science class, and Creationism in Religion class where it belongs.
Why would you want Temple of Darwin religion taught in science class?
Because its the scientific theory that best fits the facts as understood, despite all your BS and spin.
The inference that best fits the facts of nature is Creation/ID. Don’t blame me that Darwin’s atheist creation myth is rapidly being falsified by God’s creation.
Creation/ID are not science, they are religion. Period.
They start with “ a miracle happens”. That ain’t science.
Yeah evolution doesn’t.
They both love the Big Government Public School monopoly and the blatant far left indoctrination because it teaches their secular religion as its foundation.
Both recoil at the fact and the reject the founding principle that we are "endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights"
Evolution does not address origins. Creationism is not a scientific theory.
This evo believes that it is impossible to have a good grasp on the culture of western civilization without pretty solid grounding in our religious beliefs. They play a major role in who and what we are. Whether one is a believer or not.
Bring on the religious studies class. I heartily endorse it. That leaves science for science class. An actual win-win.
Darwin’s atheist creation myth will also be taught in religious class, where it belongs.
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I cannot find any evidence of this in the article. Perhaps that is because your bias of Darwinism = atheism won’t permit you to do see it that way.
Evolution is still gonna get taught in science class, while creationism will be battling it out with a-theism is religious studies class.
There is no such thing as a Cretion or ID “scientist.”
Somehow it seems irrational to read arguments centered around passionate evolutionary science, itself.
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