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The FOXP2 gene supports Neandertals being fully human
Journal of Creation ^ | Peter Borger and Royal Truman

Posted on 08/25/2009 6:36:39 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: GodGunsGuts

Recent findings have discovered that these aren’t even neandetal bones, but rather they are the bones of palento,ogists who got seperated fro m their groups while out looking for monkey bones to prove monkeys evolved Avocados-


61 posted on 08/25/2009 9:43:53 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The Grand Bargain Over Evolution thread duplicates your experience. I tired of the silly comments and left, from now on I’ll ignore him.
62 posted on 08/25/2009 10:11:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Among the references for the article, #4, was this paper and in it's conclusions stated (in part):

“In conclusion, the current results show that the Neandertals carried a FOXP2 protein that was identical to that of present-day humans in the only two positions that differ between human and chimpanzee. Leaving out the unlikely scenario of gene flow, this establishes that these changes were present in the common ancestor of modern humans and Neandertals......”

Volume 17, Issue 21, 6 November 2007, Pages 1908-1912
Current Biology

The significance of this is that human speech was a possession of the Neandertal’s ancestors too with all that this implies. The authors were quite cautious in adding to the above:

“. The date of the emergence of these genetic changes therefore must be older than that estimated with only extant human diversity data, thus demonstrating the utility of direct evidence from Neandertal DNA sequences for understanding recent modern human evolution. Whatever function the two amino acid substitutions might have for human language ability, it was present not only in modern humans but also in late Neandertals. Ongoing in vivo and in vitro experiments should help to delineate these functions.”

The grunting, knuckle dragging brute retreats over the horizon.

63 posted on 08/26/2009 1:53:35 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Odd. An atheist just told me that Neanderthals are knuckle-dragging ape-men. How can an atheist be wrong?
64 posted on 08/26/2009 1:54:42 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
That one skull on the left has to be from a women's Olympic Team of years ago. Them steroids can do bad stuff to the body.
65 posted on 08/26/2009 2:20:25 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ColdWater

Excuse me, a skullcap and partial skeleton discovered in 1856 of in a cave in the Neander valley in Germany, it was the first recognized fossil human form. It was later realized that several Neanderthal sites had previously been discovered but their remains were not recognized as an archaic form of human until the Neander valley discovery and the 1864 naming of “Neanderthal Man.”

Should have read ...first identified. Technical foul but they were still named for the valley where they were first identified which is not the Neanderthal (or whatever spelling) valley but the Neander valley.


66 posted on 08/26/2009 6:32:46 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

Another “creationist research” magazine article where they summarize a legitimate scientific paper and then tack on a short paragraph (with no proof)linking it to the crevo viewpoint.


67 posted on 08/26/2009 7:36:32 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

There was never a primitive man, never.


68 posted on 08/26/2009 7:39:37 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

[[There was never a primitive man, never]]

Scythian- Meet Barney Fwank


69 posted on 08/26/2009 8:10:12 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Language appears all over the world almost simulataneously, and very complex like, from Homeric Greek, to Attic Greek, Koine (New Testament Greek) and finally modern greek, each change is a devolving of a very sophisticated and declinated language starting back with Homeric Greek, which is the most sophisticated, to modern Greek, which is all prepositions. Man was never a brute and an ape, unless you consider what he is now, but he is actually less intelligent now than he once was, oh he may have more information, but he is less intellegent. Go read a book from the 1850’s, they are devestating reads, compare that to modern writing, man is not evolving but he is devolving ...


70 posted on 08/26/2009 9:27:28 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

[[Go read a book from the 1850’s, they are devestating reads, compare that to modern writing, man is not evolving but he is devolving ...]]

Aiont that hte truth? I liek reading the older books, but yep- they are a chore, but beautiful language nonetheless-

[[Language appears all over the world almost simulataneously, and very complex like, from Homeric Greek, to Attic Greek, Koine (New Testament Greek) and finally modern greek, each change is a devolving of a very sophisticated and declinated language starting back with Homeric Greek, which is the most sophisticated, to modern Greek, which is all prepositions.]]

Aight’ I C U C the diffrence tween t’day - Yesteryear- Rock on LOL


71 posted on 08/26/2009 9:46:33 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: RJS1950
No big deal, Neanderthal just means Neander valley. We do something similar when we say Rio Grande river, when Rio Grande already means large river.
72 posted on 08/26/2009 10:00:41 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Scythian
each change is a devolving of a very sophisticated and declinated language starting back with Homeric Greek, which is the most sophisticated, to modern Greek, which is all prepositions.

very interesting. I am interested in language evolution and thought much of the "devolving" was akin to our predilection to short cuts and the development of accents/dialects

Greek, is Greek to me (sorry), do you have examples of the changes in Greek language?

73 posted on 08/26/2009 10:13:49 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: GodGunsGuts; To Hell With Poverty
the classics never wear out:
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

74 posted on 08/26/2009 4:00:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: count-your-change
That one skull on the left has to be from a women's Olympic Team of years ago. Them steroids can do bad stuff to the body.

Ah, yes, the "Barry Bonds roid skull" effect.

75 posted on 08/26/2009 7:01:10 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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The Origins and Future
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by Gary Lynch
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76 posted on 08/26/2009 7:28:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: humblegunner

Odd Skull ping!


77 posted on 08/28/2009 1:50:19 PM PDT by Eaker (If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.)
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To: Eaker
Neandertals were fully equipped for speaking complex languages.

Sure. We talk just fine.

Just don't like it.

Mouth noise.

Feh.

78 posted on 08/28/2009 2:54:15 PM PDT by humblegunner
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Many researchers believe that modern humans killed off or simply outcompeted Neandertals until the latter went extinct.

Y'all gang up. It's a trait.

We scatter. Bad tactics I suppose.

One on one we do just fine. Y'all gang up.

Used to call y'all "gathers together man".

Freaks.

79 posted on 08/28/2009 3:00:42 PM PDT by humblegunner
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