Remember that ash cloud? It didn't exist, says new evidence

Daily Mail ^ | SEAN POULTER

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Darn you...

[cripplecreek]

Guess nobody ever heard of weather balloons or high altitude sampling.

[Jonah Hex]

You might enjoy plunging to your death from 30,000 feet if you just tried it.

Yeah, but that last foot would be a real buzz-kill.

(8-)

[mountn man]

Jim McKenna, the Civil Aviation Authority's head of airworthiness, strategy and policy, admitted: 'It's obvious that at the start of this crisis there was a lack of definitive data.

They can't get whats happening today straight, and yet we're supposed to believe the experts when it comes to Gorebull Warming.

[KarlInOhio]

Remember that ash cloud? It didn't exist, says new evidence

Didn't exist? BS.

Not have been as dense as predicted by computer models? Maybe.

Safe to fly through? I wouldn't have bet on that with my planes and passengers without a lot more testing of the ash and my engines. I doubt that GE or Pratt&Whitney have much advice on volcanic dust other than "Avoid it".

Great chance for flying a plane through it (or at least the edges) or flying weather balloons through it to take samples to see how accurate the computer models are? Yes, but it sounds like it was missed.

[FormerACLUmember]

The very same socialist media/pseudoscience hoaxers who gave us human-created Global Warming, have now given us the Great Ash Cloud that wasn’t.

[old republic]

Mistakes like this should bring down governments.

It just might. There is a general election next week. And lets just say the Labour government isn't looking forward to it.

[Don W]

Link to earlier thread

[mountn man]

“The National Air Traffic Control Service decision to ban flights was based on Met Office computer models which painted a picture of a cloud of ash being blown south from the Eyjafjallajokull volcano.”

Are these the same computer models that show seas rising 20 ft and droughts in the amazon and blizzards in Death Valley and floods in the Sahara, all because of SUVs?

[cripplecreek]

Obviously the ash existed but what didn’t exist was actual hard data on location and density.

[bert]

No hard data measured in the field at altitude and extremities exists now

[Dem Guard]

"Estimates put the number of Britons still stuck abroad at 35,000."

Were they mostly Arabs? ;-)

[Tzfat]

Dust that can cripple an engine can be so fine you cannot see it I would NOT want to fly though it- it is already shown that it can destry an engine

Do you have proof of that statement?

Boeing and Airbus provide clear guidance - no pitting on windshield, fan blades, leading edges - no damage to the engine. This is what happens when know-nothing academics talk to politicians... and never ask the people who manage risk for a living (pilots, aircraft manufacturers, airline operations).

[dusttoyou]

You are giving too much credit to stupid feminized liberals. They were “just afraid”. Anyone.... ANYONE, who operates on feelings rather than practical logic and understanding, is doomed to waste, fraud and failure.

[Tzfat]

Safe to fly through? I wouldn't have bet on that with my planes and passengers without a lot more testing of the ash and my engines. I doubt that GE or Pratt&Whitney have much advice on volcanic dust other than "Avoid it".

Ash clouds, or particles carried a thousand miles? There is a difference, and you are incorrect.

[Yo-Yo]

The MET office used the same computer models to estimate the ash cloud that they use for estimating global warming.

Hmmm...

[Oshkalaboomboom]

My wife was supposed to be on one of those flights that got cancelled. I prefer to have it cancelled than taking the risk. We were only inconvenienced, she wasn’t stuck in some airport, but even if she was I’d still rather not have her be a guinea pig for the airlines. I’m sorry they lost so much money but for once I have to side with the government incompetents.

[cripplecreek]

The problem is that the ash wasn’t where computer models said it was. Any pilot who says it won’t damage a jet is an idiot who needs to be grounded. Boeing and Airbus flew test flights through clear air because that was where computer models wrongly predicted the ash would be.

http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/1161.pdf

British airways flight 9. Engine failure caused by ash from Mount Galunggung.

On 15 December 1989, KLM Flight 867. Engine failure caused by ash from Mount Redoubt.

[listenhillary]

That met office predicted a mild winter for 09-10. Municipalities didn’t stock much grit for road maintenance.

[CodeToad]

Just another dork thinking they know everything. There is far more to why the airspace was closed than visible ash clouds.