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Driver held in Calif motorcycle crash that kills 5
Associated Press ^ | Nov. 14, 2010 | ELLIOT SPAGAT

Posted on 11/14/2010 11:32:50 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

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To: DoctorBulldog

so because he is from Mexicali, Mexico you already determined he was illegal? How so? His car is also from Mexicali.


41 posted on 11/14/2010 7:26:18 PM PST by merena
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To: dragnet2

No he swerved right, lost control and went back left...the Honda was driving 95 mph and was headed straight at him he would have hit the Avenger head on had this man not swerved..and we also don´t know that he was intoxicated..as others have pointed out no one smelled alcohol for five hours to prove DUI they would have had to have him under constant observation, and that doesn´t seem likely since there was no alcohol smelled on him for five hours.


42 posted on 11/14/2010 7:28:39 PM PST by merena
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To: dragnet2

how do you know he was impaired if we don´t know the results of the test and they weren´t taken for five hours after the accident? No, the accident wasn´t his fault..even authorities have determined the fault is that idiot Gold Honda that was headed at him going 95mph that caused him to swerve in the first place..how quick would you be able to think and react with a car coming at you head on at 95mph? Lots of sober drivers have been killed in exactly that type of incident.


43 posted on 11/14/2010 7:32:20 PM PST by merena
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To: merena
how do you know he was impaired if we don´t know the results of the test

Oh stop the BS Merena....It's based on the fact CHP smelled alcohol on his breath hours after the collision. Try reading the numerous reports..

44 posted on 11/14/2010 7:36:11 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

yes, they smelled it FIVE hours later..how do you know he didn´t drink AFTER the accident? Don´t people usually get tested at the scene? What bs...how would it work for you if you have a wreck, go home, have a drink, then the police come to your door to ask you some questions about it five hours later and arrest you because you smell of alcohol and they then say you are suspected of drunk driving...we still don´t know the results of the test either..surely it would have already been released if he had been over the limit...


45 posted on 11/14/2010 7:39:41 PM PST by merena
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To: merena
he swerved right, lost control and went back left.

Once again, CHP have stated numerous times the driver smelled of alcohol hours after the collision..This means pancho is a killer if CHP is correct, which clearly would indicate Jose was impaired.

If you have a problem with this, feel free to call CHP in the area, and call them liars.

46 posted on 11/14/2010 7:40:19 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: merena
yes, they smelled it FIVE hours later..how do you know he didn´t drink AFTER the accident?

Oh...what??

Hey Merena, ya think their going to cut someone loose after this epic, mass slaughter and carnage on the highway?

"Hey, Pancho, we know ya have injuries, but check back with us later...You know, to follow up"...Just let us know what bar your going to"

LOL!

Good grief!!

47 posted on 11/14/2010 7:45:27 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Ajnin
the vehicle lost control and ran into the center of about a dozen motorcycle riders

Thanks, Ajnin. It now makes sense.

48 posted on 11/14/2010 8:11:20 PM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: merena

Yup. That’s the way I roll.

:)

Cheers


49 posted on 11/14/2010 8:56:59 PM PST by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: dragnet2

Yes, because they already knew he wasn´t at fault from eye witness and video testimony...they knew that the person they were looking for was a GOLD Honda...he was a victim and they sent him to the hospital in an ambulance.


50 posted on 11/14/2010 8:58:44 PM PST by merena
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To: dragnet2

several hours after the collision isn´t going to get it in a court of law..they are not giving any results out right now because they need to send it away and it is going to take two weeks to get back..that is the code word for it was negative and they didn´t like that result so they are sending it elsewhere for testing. Actually it doesn´t mean anything you alledge. If you had a beer before you go home and some idiot comes up and plows into you head on going the wrong way in your lane who is at fault you or him?


51 posted on 11/14/2010 9:01:18 PM PST by merena
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Yes, because they already knew he wasn´t at fault from eye witness and video testimony...

Really, care to share that testimony with us?

And why would they ignore physical evidence, in additional to the alcohol and Pedro's breath?

52 posted on 11/14/2010 9:01:33 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: merena
several hours after the collision isn´t going to get it in a court of law..they are not giving any results out right now because they need to send it away and it is going to take two weeks to get back..that is the code word for it was negative and they didn´t like that result so they are sending it elsewhere for testing.

Where do you get all this?

53 posted on 11/14/2010 9:03:14 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

sure no problem drag net.

is not being held responsible for the deaths based on evidence collected so far. Authorities were looking for the driver of a gold Honda Civic who forced Ramirez off the road when trying to pass the motorcyclists on the undivided two-lane highway east of San Diego.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-11-14-california-crash_N.htm


54 posted on 11/14/2010 9:04:28 PM PST by merena
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To: merena
Why did they arrested the Mexican on suspicion of driving under the influence?

Were these trumped up charges?

55 posted on 11/14/2010 9:04:41 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: merena

You lying.


56 posted on 11/14/2010 9:07:56 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: merena

Why was he was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence?


57 posted on 11/14/2010 9:09:06 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: merena
Why did they arrested the Mexican on suspicion of driving under the influence?

Are you supporting the Mexican that was under the influence and impaired, because he is a Mexican from Mexico?

58 posted on 11/14/2010 9:10:33 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: merena

Why can’t you be honest here?


59 posted on 11/14/2010 9:12:14 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

read the link that I just provided to you..in it both the five hours later and the fact that he isn´t being held responsible is there. The fact that you can´t use a test taken five hours later is already decided case law.

here is a case where an officer wasn´t suspected of being drunk and later it was shown that he was, but the blood test was still thrown out because they had not suspected him at the scene...just like this driver, except we don´t know the results here yet, but they also did not suspect him at the scene either.
http://praiseindy.com/daily-bread/paulprayze/gospel-gabcops-blood-draw-not-admissible-in-court/

and this is from a legal site
Some states require a set maximum time in which a chemical test can be offered to you, such as within two or three hours of your stop. Others states determine admissibility on a case by case basis depending on the circumstances and the reasonableness of the testing. The longer it is between stop and test, the more unreasonable and unreliable the results will be.

also we have this
ODOR OF ALCOHOL: (People vs. Roybal, 655 P.2nd 410 (colo 1982) the odor of alcohol is created by drinking any amount of alcohol, not just an amount that would cause impairment or a person to have a .08% BAC; Odor of alcohol alone is not sufficient probable cause to request a chemical test. An additional 1998 study which, referring to the odor of alcohol, says ”it failed to rise above the level of a guess” (Burns, Moskowitz and Ferguson, Police Officers’ Detection of Breath Odors from Alcohol Ingestion, Accident and Analysis and Prevention 31 (1999) 175-180)
http://blog.sandiegoduilawyer.com/2010/10/field-sobriety-tests-drugs-and-symptoms.html


60 posted on 11/14/2010 9:16:05 PM PST by merena
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