White House Science Advisor: Climate Change Skeptics Are ‘Heretics’

CNSNews ^ | February 17, 2011 | Chris Neefus

[Noob1999]

....................Holdren is not a “czar”. He is Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. He was confirmed to this position on March 19, 2009, by a unanimous vote in the Senate..........................

I did not know that he had his credentials submitted to the Senate for a vote.

Thanks for the clarification.

Now, I wonder whether 100 percent of the Senate supports AGW???

[Paladin2]

"Is this the Obama guy who wants to give farm animals the right to sue? "

I think dogs should have the right to sue for a wrongful cop shooting.

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks jazusamo. If this be heresy... :')

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[RoadTest]

I looked up heretic. It’s “a person believing in or practicing religious heresy.”

The man is right. He’s right because Manmade Global Warming is a religion, not a scientific theory. Heretic is the right word. I’m an MGW heretic!

[AndrewC]

Every major national academy of sciences in the world, and virtually all of the major professional societies that deal with the relevant disciplines have issued statements saying that the evidence for climate change outside the realm of natural variability is overwhelming, that we have very strong reason to believe that human activity is responsible for a large part of this change, that harm is already occurring from these changes and that the harm will grow unless and until we stabilize and begin to reduce our emissions. This is not the view of a few isolated scientists, this is the overwhelming view of scientists who study this matter around the world. You will be able to produce on the witness stand a few who will say they don’t believe it, but they are cery much in the minority. You could also produce people on this witness stand, who will say, with PhD’s attached to their names, that they don’t believe cigarette smoking increases the risk of lung cancer. There are always skeptics, there are always heretics; that’s in the nature of science. But public policy, in my judgment, should be based on the mainstream view because to base it otherwise is to risk the well-being of the public against very long odds."

A festival of fallacies.

Kind of - Appeal to authority, Appeal to belief, Appeal to Popularity - mixed together. 80% of dentists believe colgate ...

Appeal to adverse consequences

Red Herring (lung cancer)

Poisoning the well (lung cancer, heretics)

etc. etc.

[SunkenCiv]

I couldn’t agree more (with you, not him).

[AndrewC]

I couldn’t agree more (with you, not him).

Especially in light of the fact that he didn't answer the question. Which was :

“Given the disparity of these projections, why should the American taxpayer have confidence in the administration’s assurance of global calamities to come or trust your climate change education campaign?” Hall asked.

The people he "attacked" had nothing to do with his erroneous predictions. And even if the "deniers" of global climate change were wrong, the answer was not an answer. It is based upon another fallacy, that of the false dichotomy.

[SteamShovel]

White House Science Advisor: Climate Change Skeptics Are ‘Heretics’

And Johnny Holdren is a LUNATIC.....

.....BTW, doesn't calling a skeptic a "heretic" ADMIT "human caused climate change" belief is a RELIGION?

[kroll]

The overwhelming view of real scientists who study this matter is that climate change is caused by the Sun, and not by a tiny, tiny fraction of carbon dioxide.

Actually, neither - we do Not understand what causes the climate to change really, Real scientists or not. The problem is at the moment beyond our understanding so Everyone has an opinion. But we do have good possibilities - the two most important factors being the solar radiation and the oceans. What Rich Lindzen is doing (his scientific duty) is Debunking the notion that AGW is the reason, because its not close to being established. He has no clue (like everyone else) what changes the climate. Observations of solar radiation are surprisingly hard to account for in theory or in the models.... The models are at least 10 years of computing power away from simulating reasonable climatic changes. Oceanic observations and accurate solar radiation measurements are maybe 20 years away...so thats at least the time frame to have a better understanding of the climate..

[wendy1946]

These fools have to be stopped, simple as that. They’re talking about creating a dark age for the sake of junk science.

[kroll]

that are given grants to prove global warming is real agree that global warming is real.

This is a little more complicated than that.....You would be surprised that only a fraction of scientists who study climate, oceans and the atmosphere actually Study or necessarily care about climate change. Most of them are doing basic climate science which would be useful for various reasons in the future....Many modelers are largely unconcerned about CO2 and don't solve cases with CO2 in it....They are more interested in accounting for solar forcing, the ocean-atmosphere interaction and so on....incredibly difficult problems on their own without some CO2 nonsense...But in applying for grants, it is convenient to make some extraneous comments about trying to study impact climate change to have a better chance of getting the grant. But they are still doing good science. But this is Always the case when basic science is concerned, you often have to play to choir to get funds to do good research in basic science...

[kroll]

I’d aver that you or I or dear Holden have no clue (yet)...which is a problem since Holden is the man with the mic and spewing some pretty ludicrous crap....

[kroll]

Reminds me of pre-Nazi Germany.

Ah, Godwin's law and it only took Post 52.... Executions for opposing global warming? As moronic as the global warming movement (and the idiot Holden) is, your statement is far more ridiculous, no offense.

"First they came for the climate deniers....?" LOL!

Godwin's Law, FYI : "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

[kroll]

Excellent work pointing all the fallacies....normally one of my favorite hobbies.....

[AndrewC]

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

I guess that's a round about way of stating Murphy's law: "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong".... or Mom's dictum, "You'll shoot your eye out with that thing."

[Tunehead54]

"'Heretics', eh? Then by Holdren's own words it is now indeed plain that the whole 'Global Warming' thesis has mutated from science to religion."

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Good catch! The smoking gun as it were ... but here's a warning "heretics" should allow for:

"If the individual, or heretic, gets hold of some essential truth, or sees some error in the system being practiced, he commits so many marginal errors himself that he is worn out before he can establish his point." - Ezra Pound

For my part I cannot believe that with the evidence of outright climate fraud that the system hasn't completely collapsed and its a testament to the power of the AGW crowd (financed by our US grants) and the media. We are not out of the woods yet.

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[dila813]

He didn’t address his previous statements, AGW could be false, it is believed to be true, but if it does exist it can only theoretically be measured in computer models.