Posted on 08/23/2011 9:08:59 PM PDT by neverdem
Also, have you thought of keeping your dishes in the kitchen cabinet drawers instead of up in the cupboards? Actually, it is easier to use them on a day to day basis and if a quake hit they will not be in broken bits on your kitchen counter.
To those that live in the rest of the country and think Californians are nuts to live in an active earthquake region (yea, I know, we are nuts for other reasons but that is a different thread), I'll take it over tornadoes, thunderstorms and hurricanes any day - along with the sunshine, dry heat.
Maybe, but have you seen some of the pics from the VA quake? They showed a picture of a concrete block wall that had tumbled. There was no rebar and the web in the blocks was not filled with concrete.
How do you put up a two story cement block building with just mortor joints? I mean, how much extra does it cost to fill the webs with concrete?
I actually saw a guy building a house back east that turned the top row of blocks on their side and then used liquid nail to glue the wood plate to the block, did not even use J bolts.
A real red herring and irrelevant to the discussion referencing "bad urban planning."
Is any sane person going to resort to applying "good" planning now and wipe out all of the San Francisco Downtown area and a good portion of other residential areas near water? San Francisco is surrounded by water on three sides.
It is not reasonable to even suggest that entire towns and cities (and their infrastructure) be erased or moved to areas where there are no risks.
The best we can do is update constructrion methods and design skills as we gain knowledge and experience.
But nothing can ever be totally safe anywhere.
"Planners" are most of what ails communities and large areas. They are political animals, clueless about the consequences of their social engneering, or any engineering for that matter. Yet they are allowed to sway Councils and Supervisors everywhere, who are even more clueless than they are to pursue truly flawed ideas.
Plenty of good points.
However, I fail to understand how
greedy, self-serving, thoughtless, ignorant
LACK of planning
is inherently
and/OR significantly
BETTER
than greedy, self-serving, corrupt, politicized planning.
Largest ever earthquake in New York: 1944 09 05 - Between Massena, New York and Cornwall, Ontario, Canada - M 5.8
Source: Historic United States Earthquakes
Explain again why New York should be concerned about a M7.0 earthquake. I'm not getting it.
7.0 Magnitude in Peru today - I took a screen shot of it. They may revise/ downgrade/ remove it.
click the link
http://screencast.com/t/m6bgy4a8
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0005j3l.php
This is easily the best thing I’ve read in months ... thanks for posting.
First, nowhere is free of earthquakes.
Second, I was talking about the east coast in general, my example of New York was to show how buildings are built differently but much of the east is the same.
Our time on this earth has been short. No one knows how big the biggest earthquake has been on the east coast. New faults, some of them large, are being discovered all the time.
The New Madrid fault in Missouri has had some of the largest quakes in the US - and that general area is not prepared.
And the bottom line is, my post was to a person mocking how the east coast people responded to this 5.8 quake. My point was that a moderate quake in California is not the same as a moderate quake in the east.
>> “They showed a picture of a concrete block wall that had tumbled. There was no rebar and the web in the blocks was not filled with concrete.” <<
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Where was the inspector the day they laid up the blocks? This kind of stuff is corruption on a 3rd world scale. The owner surely paid for the building permit, but got no services in exchange for his cash.
You’ve shown us that you don’t even know what a ‘red herring’ is.
I don’t give a damn what happens to Frisco, its a cesspool anyway, but the issue is not the proximity to water; Its building multi-story buildings on fill. Much of the Marina was once a part of the bay, but was filled in with the debris of the ‘06 quake, and then marketed as land to build on.
Don’t cry when thousands die in the rest of those mud based doll houses.
For some folks, naysaying is a passionate occupation, obsession, hobby, addiction . . . .
almost regardless of the issues or reasonableness of the other side.
. . . as though SOME such folks had any awareness of reasonableness at all . . .
LOL.
one more reason i'm glad i live i the boondocks... one story cabin built in 1850 that might slide off the cliff if the ground turns plastic but won't shake apart or fall down and where i work, my part of the building has only one floor and i'm 15' from the door
Thank you for posting this. Fascinating article.
Cities are not held liable if the city inspector or the city contracted inspector overlooks something. But they do get to keep the fees they collect for inspection. How's that for a racket, charge for something you never have to deliver.
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Looks like the whole freaking Pacific Rim is going bonkers. At least that is my view today. Oh, well -- nothing to worry about unless and until Mt. Rainier and/or Mt. Baker start pluming like crazy. Olympia Washington is a heavily populated area and not too far away from Rainier.
Hikers on the mountain might even have a chance to yell, "Look out below . . . " Or say a very quick prayer.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=olympia+washington&qpvt=olympia+washington&FORM=IGRE
INTERESTING.
THANKS.
Such an earthquake will be what cleanses California
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