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Round Two: Rick Perry and the Seven Dwarfs
Pajamas Media ^ | September 13th, 2011 | Roger L Simon

Posted on 09/13/2011 9:30:24 AM PDT by shield

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To: tirednvirginia
I agree about the opt out option. Santorum brought that up and I thought it was an effective attack against Perry and I like Perry. It should have been an opt in program, not an opt out program. If Perry would have clarified that he should have went through the legislature (which he did) and he should have made it an opt in program (which he didn't), I think he would have come out a lot stronger in this debate. Santorum also scored some points by explaining that mandated vaccines should only be for communicable diseases to protect the public at large. Like the flu, mumps, measles etc..
81 posted on 09/13/2011 10:50:51 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: richardtavor
At the time, I wish he had just told the truth—he was trying to prevent cancer and save the State of Texas money down the road.

Your point is well taken and it shows something about Perry that is overlooked by those who just want to pile on.

Perry is an experienced executive. This Gardasil matter taught him a lesson about governance and leadership. This is why I believe Governors of large states are far better prepared for the Presidency than Senators or Congressman.

82 posted on 09/13/2011 10:54:21 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Thanks! Ron Paul has some great insights--but also some HUGE blindspots, as was shown by his comments on 9/11--which weirdly echoed those of Bill Ayers' editorial after 9/11/2001. Huntsman's support of Globull Warming is scary--and I'm not sure he's a true conservative.

I LOVE Cain--maybe he'd be a great VP pick (that would get the lib race-baiters all wee-weed up for sure). Or even Palin--but the position I'd LOVE to see Palin hold is Secretary of the Interior. That would for sure produce some major Lib wee-wee!

83 posted on 09/13/2011 10:56:23 AM PDT by milagro
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To: Signalman

Yep some folks are looking for the perfect candidate- one who has never made a mistake and is a hot shot debater to boot. Good luck!

Most on the stage last night do not have a day job and the only job they have is running for president and have been doing so for quite awhile - some for years such as Romney.
As far as I know, Bachman and Perry are the only ones who have anoher job other than being a retired CEO or a professional politician.

A governor for the most part has the most demanding job of all the candidates on the stage. A governor of a huge state of Texas may not be a born debater but he is running on his record or job growth and budgeting in a poor economy.

Perry’s debating skills will sharpen as he gets more experience on the national stage. Also his handlers have given him the points to cover for that night and now everyone who thinks he didn’t say the right things might be surprised when everyone is agreeing with him next week such as what happened this week with the issue of Social Security.


84 posted on 09/13/2011 11:06:52 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: ConservativeDude
Hi there. I am not a Republican and other than my love for this republic I really don't have a dog in this hunt(Republican Primary).

The one issue that Gov. Perry is going to have to walk back and explain more than any other is his support for the "in state tuition for illegals"! It will become a much bigger problem for him than SS or HPV, IMO.

I do live in Texas, right on the Mexican border, and it galls me that illegals can not only get the "in state tuition" but go on the dole as well. We are not talking about "anchor" children here, but flat out illegals.

I understand the huge problem we have concerning the number of illegals in the country and the logistics of rounding them all up and sending them back south. Not to mention the cost, but to reward the illegal behavior is just wrong. Period.

Would it keep me from voting for him in the general election? Probably not, but it will be a tough one for many conservatives to get beyond. So he has some real work ahead of him in that regard, once again in my opinion.

85 posted on 09/13/2011 11:22:30 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

The opt out program is only the way to encourage parents to investigate. It forces parents to investigate and make a decision for themselves.

No, an opt in program won’t force parents to take the time to do anything. They will just be of the mindset that heir precious little girl would never need that kind of protection.


86 posted on 09/13/2011 11:22:49 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: ConservativeDude

“In reading the press this am, I was reminded that GWB wasn’t great in debates.”

LOLOLOL GWB cleaned Gore’s clock in all 3 presidential debates despite the MSM meme that Gore was a devastating debater.....the MSM, in order to avoid embarrasment for Al Gore, “gave him the last debate on a “close call,” even though it was clear he has lost that final debate.....

I knew/saw GWB, and R Perry isn’t that good.

His best bet is to stay as Governor, or maybe run for the US Senate. With his Pharmasutical expertise maybe he could become a cabinet member in the Dept of Health in a Palin Administration.!


87 posted on 09/13/2011 11:27:25 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (Ursus Arctos Horribilis......got my GRRRRR on!)
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To: ConservativeDude
The more I think about what happened last night, the angier I get at Bachmann. I had no feelings about her one way or the other but last night this b____ hacked me off. Her phony whining about Perry abusing "innocent twelve year old girls" got mighty old. She can stop the drama. I wonder how many times we heard the same phrase. Someone should count them

Then she pretends to be "offended", yea right. She wasn't offended at all, she saw it as an opportunity to attack Perry for almost a nothing issue.

Bachmann appears to be selling out to Romney and he's more than willing to accept her help. Why?

88 posted on 09/13/2011 11:33:59 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: shield

“.......however, if Newt would stay like we’ve been seeing him...then he may make a good SOS.”

Why? All of Newt’s expertise is in domestic issues, with little to no diplomatic experience. Round peg in round hole. Newt doesn’t belong anywhere near State any more than Hillary did/does.


89 posted on 09/13/2011 11:34:19 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (Ursus Arctos Horribilis......got my GRRRRR on!)
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To: gdani

You may not have looked so good, either, if you had everyone else attacking you. The performance was despicable and Bachmann looks like a sellout to Romney.


90 posted on 09/13/2011 11:35:56 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: McGruff

How do you deliver a positive, energetic debate performance when the entire hour is devoted to everyone attacking you because you are the leader and CNN/MSNBC hates your guts?


91 posted on 09/13/2011 11:36:15 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: ConservativeDude

I don’t recall debates where Obama was in before the last election but he can’t speak anything without a teleprompter. How good does Perry have to be to take on a teleprompter?


92 posted on 09/13/2011 11:38:03 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: ConservativeDude

I don’t recall debates where Obama was in before the last election but he can’t speak anything without a teleprompter. How good does Perry have to be to take on a teleprompter?


93 posted on 09/13/2011 11:38:21 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

it’s a different dynamic to debate one on one, than it is to debate 6 others especially when all participants agree on so many things.

I actually saw Perry years ago debate a democrat live. Perry beat him senseless. I actually felt a little sorry for the guy.

I would look for Perry to do that in the general election debates.

All that said, there is no harm in nothing that perhaps last night he could have been stronger....which seems to be the consensus.

It also seems to be the consensus that Bachmann’s attack won’t amount to much.


94 posted on 09/13/2011 11:43:41 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: tirednvirginia; Old Teufel Hunden

“The opt out program is only the way to encourage parents to investigate. It forces parents to investigate and make a decision for themselves.”

LOLOLOLOl The “opt out” option in RP65 was political cover for politicians like Perry that passed this onto the citizens of Texas soley to the benefit of one company. Merek.

The “opt out” is a “cop out” for crony capitalism as practiced in earnest by pols like Perry.

$4,000? Nope, not much money......except it signaled expectations of much more, to be applied at judicious times....

Sorry, I’m not buying the whole scenario as laid out by Perry and his supporters.


95 posted on 09/13/2011 11:45:14 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (Ursus Arctos Horribilis......got my GRRRRR on!)
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To: Forty-Niner

I enjoy Newt in the debates....however, he is not trustworthy....like I said John Bolton would be the best SOS.


96 posted on 09/13/2011 11:49:13 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: ConservativeDude

Bachmann’s repetitious attacks on Perry about the Gardisil issue was more a reflection on Bachmann than on Perry. If this is all this woman has, she’s in deep doo doo and she came off looking like a desperate you-know-what.


97 posted on 09/13/2011 11:53:43 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: shield

Thank you =)

I didn’t know about the back surgery. That would explain why he seemed physically uncomfortable after standing for an hour.

I don’t know how to do mult quotes, so this is addressed to someone, but I can’t remember who (d’oh!). A debate coach would not bother me at all. A good leader knows enough to be surrounded and advised by the best. That shows leadership, not weakness (see: Obama, Barack for the latter).

Like someone else said, not many are influenced by the debates. I’m undecided on our candidate right now, but there was no doubt that the audience was with Rick Perry last night. They WANT him to succeed. I remember in 2000 Peggy Noonan (I know, I know) referring to us as Broken Glass Republicans, meaning we would crawl over broken glass to take back the White House. In 2012, we’ll jump through fire, too.

As a wife, I wasn’t impressed by Perry saying he’d bring his beautiful wife to the WH (I hate that forced lovey dovey junk). It sounded smarmy like something Romney would say. I’d rather he had said he’d bring PRIDE back to the WH or at least a man’s pair of jeans. =D


98 posted on 09/13/2011 12:18:42 PM PDT by The Sparrow
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To: Forty-Niner

If no one was going to plug Palin for Prez I was going to do it.

GWB seemed pretty lackluster in the debates to me. He made me cringe every time he said “We need to LET people keep SOME of their money...” in the context of talking about privatizing social security.

Not quite the firebrand that Sarah would be.

We’ll know what she’s decided by Oct 1


99 posted on 09/13/2011 12:18:49 PM PDT by UnChained (The "stimulus" CAUSED the economy to tank.)
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To: UnChained

You know what? I’m going to say it. I don’t want Palin to join the race now. I was a fan, but she’s really pissed me off in the last year or 2. This whole “tease” is unbecoming, unprofessional & undignified. When Potato Head McCain asked her to be his VP, she said she didn’t blink. It was refreshing to see such a decisive leader. But all this coy posturing errodes that. If she can’t make up her mind whether or not she wants this job, she’s not decisive enough to lead the country. What she doesn’t realize is that many of us have moved on.


100 posted on 09/13/2011 12:26:17 PM PDT by The Sparrow
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