Sinai plane crash: 'External influence' caused crash

BBC ^ | minutes ago, 2 November 2015 | BBC

[CivilWarBrewing]

"the plane broke up/exploded soon after reaching cruising altitude. "

And could also indicate that pressurization of the cabin triggered a major break-up of the aircraft due to serious internal structural cracks. What we don't know is, are the charred wings and forward fuselage a result of fire while in flight or after crashing into the ground?

Based on ground wreckage photos, it appears the main wings hit the ground intact with the forward fuselage all the way to the nose cone.. Would this be possible in a bomb scenario? UNLIKELY!

[SaveFerris]

Duct tape on an engine cowling? Good gosh.

[tcrlaf]

“Duct tape on an engine cowling? Good gosh.”

It’s called “Speed Tape”, and it’s been around for decades. Originally developed by NASCAR.

[SaveFerris]

Yeah, I’ve heard of that. If only the plane didn’t go just a teensy bit faster than a NASCAR car.

What’s his purpose there? Keeping water out of that seam?

[tcrlaf]

Just guessing, but I’d say the trim cover departed the aircraft at some point.

The Speed tape will keep the airflow smooth until it gets back to a maintenance base. You don’t ground an aircraft for that.

In my time, I’ve seen some aircraft flying that were “covered” in the stuff. I was on one of the last United 727’s in service, that had speed tape and orange tags all over the place. They weren’t going to spend any money fixing minor problems on an aircraft that was going to be retired in two weeks.

[SaveFerris]

That’s what I thought, too. The small piece of metallic covering had been lost.

[Travis McGee]

I heard another small tidbit today: The plane was porpoising for a short while before it broke up. Radical up and down, then breakup. If a small bomb was in a rear cargo compartment in checked luggage (or snuck there by a jihad symp ground crew) it could destroy or damage the tail/horizontal stabo. The pilot might have a brief period of fighting for control. I remember Air ALaska that crashed trying to emergency land at LAX. The cheap counterfeit Chinese worm screw that controlled the horizontal stabo jammed. They tried to fly it by alt means, and did.....for a while.

Anyway, the damage and the black boxes should tell the tale, if Russia tells the truth etc.

[CivilWarBrewing]

But.. No calls to Air Traffic Control?

[NorthMountain]

The question was of a UAV reaching FL300 ... not at all a problem for some.

[UCANSEE2]

It’s called “Speed Tape”, and it’s been around for decades. Originally developed by NASCAR.

It's been around for longer than decades and it wasn't originally developed by NASCAR.

NASCAR may have given it the SPEED TAPE name (when used for NASCAR vehicles), but the tape was around long before NASCAR existed.

I called it DUCT TAPE, but what I found interesting is that the original name of it was DUCK TAPE.

Some companies call it DUCK, some DUCT.

The tape was invented for use in sealing up ammo cases (for WWII).

It was called DUCK TAPE because water ran off it like water off the back of a DUCK.

[UCANSEE2]

The Russian airline Kogalymavia has blamed "external influence" for Saturday's Sinai plane crash which killed 224 people.

Because that is what their lawyers advised.

A senior airline official said: "The only reasonable explanation is that it was [due to] external influence."

Reasonable as in, he wants to keep his job.

An investigation by aviation experts using data from the aircraft's "black boxes" has yet to give its conclusions.

No one knows what happened yet.

A Kremlin spokesman has warned against speculation as to the possible causes of the crash.

Speculation will be punished by imprisonment or death.

[DoodleDawg]

If ISIS has figured out a way to smuggle covert bombs onto an airplane, we’ll start seeing a lot more of these. Then we’ll know.

On a flight originating in Egypt? How hard can it be?

[DoodleDawg]

Nope. 30k is easy for quite a few.

Which ones?

[UCANSEE2]

I have it down to two options.

1- It was poor maintenance, and Russia is trying to hide the fact.

2- It was terrorism, and the Russians want to go find the perps and squish them into tiny, tiny piles of carbon before any announcement.

[Travis McGee]

That is EXACTLY how I see it!!!! Geez, you are inside my cranium!

[UCANSEE2]

you are inside my cranium!

Yeah, but only because I got locked out of mine.

[UCANSEE2]

I apologize for confusing the issue and displaying a bit of ignorance.

There are two distinct types of DUCT tape (SPEED TAPE).

One is the rubberized cloth adhesive tape (Duct or Duck tape)

The other is the aluminized adhesive tape (Speed tape). It has been in use by the aircraft industry for a long time, so I don’t think it was NASCAR that invented it, but who knows. I used to have some of it. It’s pretty expensive and my dad used to bring it home from TWA.

Since it would(or should) only be the ALUMINUM TAPE being used on any kind of aircraft (well, except for cloth covered planes) , I should have known you were talking about IT, not duct tape.

[Walkingfeather]

I just saw video of what looks to be a airliner exploding and coming down in a heavy smoke trail. Not likely that someone could be videoing from the ground just at the same time a bomb on board goes off on board. Makes more sense that they are pointing at the craft to record something they knew was coming.

[archy]

Duct tape on an engine cowling? Good gosh.

I'll see your duct tape, and raise you a stowaway hanging on to the wing tip and flaps of a Northwest Airlink J31 Jetstream. He was wearing a Northwest Jetstream's black leather jacket [stolen] at the time, and had tried to trade it for a ticket.... Brian Duecker:

On September 30, 1991, Duecker walked up to an attendent at Barkley Regional Airport in Paducah and asked if he could hitch a ride on one of the airplanes. He was refused and waited until one of the planes at the airport was ready to take off. He chased the plane and grabbed hold of one of the wings. While the plane was in the air, the force of the wind ripped him from the wing and he fell to his death. His body remained unidentified for 8 years until his family recognized his picture on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries and paid to have the new marker with his name on it erected.

[archy]

It was called DUCK TAPE because water ran off it like water off the back of a DUCK.

During WWII, an adhesive canvas tape was also used to patch small holes about the size of those made by a German Mauser rifle or MG34/42 machinegun on the amphibious trucks used for ferrying troops to shore from larger craft, or for running the wounded back to hospital shop facilities.

The trucks were designated DUKWs, pronounced *Duck* by the GIs. Thus the repair tape was *Duck tape. The GIs found the tape handy for all sorts of other tasks, and a legend was born.