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Rethinking Donald Trump: The evangelical dilemma
Washington Examiner ^ | Dec 18, 2017 | Stephen Mansfield

Posted on 12/17/2017 11:31:22 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

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To: Oshkalaboomboom

‘”Dry cods revolt...... Trump not sufficiently pure”

“Sanctimonious self righteousness drives some evangelicals back off the cliff”


21 posted on 12/18/2017 4:27:06 AM PST by Thibodeaux (2018 is looking good)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

oh, so they would rather have had hillary as president since January?

fools, can’t see how good it is compared to how much worse it WOULD have been, not just for Christians but for just about all americans.

Any one disappointed need only look at themselves and see what more THEY could be doing to make a difference. Don’t just look to president or some leader to fix it.


22 posted on 12/18/2017 4:34:53 AM PST by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

An anti-Trump deep state supporter attempting to gin up doubts about Trump amoung evangelicals.

It isn’t working.

Trump is delivering on his promises.


23 posted on 12/18/2017 4:35:04 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

No remorse.

This guy cites ZERO examples of his thesis.


24 posted on 12/18/2017 4:35:45 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

“causing some religious conservatives to have second thoughts.”

Did he pull this out of his ass? Where is the proof? I looked for stats/proof, but didn’t see any.

A TV host asked Rev. Jeffress about PDJT allegedly losing evangelicals’ support and Jeffress didn’t challenge the statement. I’m immersed in evangelicals all the time, and see no evidence of this. As far as I can see, support is stronger than ever.


25 posted on 12/18/2017 4:38:09 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
You couldn't have written an article that was this 180% out of sync with the truth if you tried.

The author has no idea why evangelicals and conservative catholics voted for Trump in such numbers.

He probably thinks Hillary is honest, trustworthy, and morally upright. And that Bill is a spiritual man because the bible he carried was so big.

26 posted on 12/18/2017 4:41:35 AM PST by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. Stay the course!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Useless piece of trash writing with another weak attempt to sow division in support for President Trump.


27 posted on 12/18/2017 4:51:44 AM PST by Lent
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Get over it. You can always vote for a panty waste with Hollywood good looks who will step in line and steal taxpayer money.

WHEN YOU FIGHT A ROOM OF PUTBULLS DO YOU SEND IN A POODLE OR A MALE THAT CAN TAKE WHATS COMING.

Try to I imagine just 1 day in his shoes. Not many could take it and go on. Thank God you had the good sense to vote him in. Realize it takes time to accomplish goals with people who ADMIT to hamper his efforts.

And most of all get on your knees and pray for the protection safety and stamina to carry out God's fight.

28 posted on 12/18/2017 5:08:48 AM PST by chit*chat
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

This article is baloney. Trump is doing a great job, and Evangelicals support him.


29 posted on 12/18/2017 5:31:18 AM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be defeated.)
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To: jimfree

“I don’t get this article.”

Totally agree. This was written well within the Beltway.


30 posted on 12/18/2017 6:18:44 AM PST by TrueFact (The Republicans keep putting the stopper back in the swamp drain.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
The author does not speak for this evangelical. We knew what Trump was, or was presented to be, and chose him anyway because the alternative was pure, 200-proof, distilled evil, in our view.

I, myself, did it without much hope that things would change. The really nice thing about being a pessimist is that you are never disappointed, and occasionally pleasantly surprised, as is now the case.

31 posted on 12/18/2017 6:34:13 AM PST by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: WayneLusvardi

He does think that!! May he stay do deluded.


32 posted on 12/18/2017 6:36:25 AM PST by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: trebb

Fake evangelicals, who never voted for him to begin with


33 posted on 12/18/2017 6:37:31 AM PST by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

It strikes me that this article is more about causing friction between factions and fragmenting Donald Trumps support than about a real discussion about how Evangelicals feel about POTUS. IOW the work of the enemy.


34 posted on 12/18/2017 6:42:35 AM PST by JayGalt (Let Trump Be Trump)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Perhaps it is just this connection to their seemingly untethered president that is causing some religious conservatives to have second thoughts.

Well, you people can always nominate Roy Moore next time around.

35 posted on 12/18/2017 6:48:22 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

The author keeps using the pronoun “They”. he sounds like “They” and “Them” are people outside of his orbit whose views he is attempting to analyze and understand.

The article clearly is utilizing a divisive tone in a before and after critique of the POTUS.

I doubt there is a shred of evidence that this is actually remorse. More like a family member being evaluated for his manners. President Trump has been like a breath of fresh air for Christian people of faith. He has kept his promises, and is defending the Constitution as he said he would. He never promised he would stop tweeting or speaking his mind forthrightly.

IMHO it may be a case that people get tired of the constant criticism of him - but that can go two ways - right now it is favoring Donald Trump.


36 posted on 12/18/2017 7:16:26 AM PST by Gumdrop (She made her bed and is now lying in it.)
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I remember the day after the Cruz defeat in the Virginia Primary. I felt like we were going to fail again. I was excited about Trump stirring things up, he also scared me.

I spent an entire day at home searching for anything in the Christian world on line about the reaction by others to Trump. When the day was over, I was on the Trump Train to stay.

Today, I remain steadfast in my appreciation for the divine intervention of a loving God who prepared a very direct and forceful personality to intervene in the evil goings-on of what we now call the swamp.

Yes Mr. Trump has made some mistakes, but he is a fast learner, and he is probably the only one in our nation that could have completed the assignment that God gave him - To Make America Great Again!

The evening of 11/08/16. I did not watch the news, rather I watched as the New York Times tally board steadily shifted from their internal bias for HRC to the declared will of the people.

I was excited for the many testimonies I heard that went along the lines of - "I haven't voted in years, but this year I am all in for Donald Trump".

Folks, continue to pray for our nation, for the Peace of Jerusalem and Israel, hope for the unborn child and the hope our nation gives to a lost world without Christ.

37 posted on 12/18/2017 7:19:29 AM PST by Dustoff45 (Pass the spicy catsup. We've got Trump now.)
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. . . and I thought it was only the progressives, the cultural marxists, and the materialistic atheists who expected earthly perfection.


38 posted on 12/18/2017 7:37:19 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Same writer two months ago:

“I speak a lot at university campuses and spend lots of time with millennials. They’re often depicted as soft and privileged. But millennials have a strong social conscience and care deeply about justice. I knew Trump had been traumatic for them...

...Millennials have been left to conclude that people like Donald Trump, who only talk about cutting programs, are harsh and cruel.

Leaders like Franklin Graham and James Dobson, with their unwavering Trump support, have risked any sort of connection with millennials going forward. Millennials, with their passion for social justice, are very put off by him, and this is bound to produce some level of alienation from their churches and even their faith. If Religious Right leaders had shown more prophetic distance—if they had called on Trump to be a better man, with more compassionate policies—then their reputation among millennials might have been salvaged.

In certain white evangelical churches, we have a silo mentality: We’ll store up goods and wealth, live in a white enclave, and turn our churches into malls for the members—rather than making ourselves relevant to society in a biblical way. Pastors don’t need the Johnson Amendment overturned to speak the teachings of Jesus about racial reconciliation or helping the poor.

Churches where people are out there in the inner city or having joint worship services with African American congregations, or otherwise reaching across the divide—millennials are thriving within these churches, and they have an assured future.”

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/november/trump-stephen-mansfield-why-so-many-conservative-christians.html

Me? I’m not interested in tickling the ears of millennials. I don’t follow Jesus Christ the Social Justice Warrior. And we need a President who fights instead of bloviates. Who refuses to worship at the Altar of Social Justice!

A basic rule of life: It is hard to lead when you focus on kissing butts!


39 posted on 12/18/2017 7:43:36 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
I'm not seeing evangelical buyer's remorse at all. Just the opposite, many evangelicals who reluctantly voted for Trump have been pleasantly surprised (myself included). That has been a consistent viewpoint from the many evangelicals with whom I have spoken.

The qualifications for POTUS are different than the qualifications for church elder. Not many men have the qualifications for both positions (Mike Pence being a noted exception). For me to vote for someone as POTUS, he must have a Christian worldview, even if his personal behavior isn't what I would desire.

40 posted on 12/18/2017 9:56:29 AM PST by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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