Posted on 06/29/2018 10:13:25 AM PDT by Bob434
[[There is no Constitutional right to not hear something.]]
Agreed- i hear leftie crap all day long, and I’m not a leftie- so can i claim I’m being ‘excluded’ and ‘discriminated against’ when some government official espouses leftie ideology? Nope- I have two choices- either agree with them, or disagree with them (or ignore them altogether) but i don’t have a right to claim, based on discrimination claims, that they are ‘excluding me’ and therefore it’s unconstitutional
Well, since it's North Carolina why not have a Cherokee Medicine Man come over do some tribal ritual?
A spoken prayer is speech and nothing more. It establishes nothing. From a free speech perspective, there is no difference between “In the name of Jesus Christ” and “Jesus Christ, why can’t you people pass a budget?”
My hometown passed a rule that you couldn’t say “Jesus” in the prayer. Later, a liberal councilman chastised someone as “not acting like Jesus” and the crowd erupted on him. Rules for thee, not for me.
the thing is that there isn’t even an ‘establishment’ issue in the constitution- the ‘establishment clause’ was invented by a liberal SC legislator- and kazzam- a new ‘constitutional rule’ was invented out of thin air
I call BS
Good point.
+100... I was just about to post substantially the same thing.
Why should government employees be forced to pray outside a building if they wish to pray? Why should they be ok with the left violating their constitutional right?
This is not about private prayer. It is about opening an official meeting of government officials with prayer. And as another FRiend pointed out above, in such circumstances you can’t exclude certain faiths. What happens when a muzzie wants to have their prayers done at the meeting?
[[It is about opening an official meeting of government officials with prayer.]]
Again- Why should government officials be denied their constitutional right?
[[ What happens when a muzzie wants to have their prayers done at the meeting?]]
They already do- Hindu’s Jews, Etc- We have a right in this country to pray to whomever we wish. IF the people have a problem with it- they can vote out the person in question in next election. Would i like muslims to be government leaders and pray? Nope- but we have free elections in this country- and i don’t have a right to demand they not serve or even pray to open their meetings- I can protest- but i can’t force them to not do so because their right is guaranteed under the constitution as long as they are not forcing other to convert or comply under penalty of law if they refuse
thanks I’ll read that in awhile
Religion is our right. It is a personal right. It is a nice gesture when communally done but I don’t demand government to have it mandated nor think judges can force it or deny it. If a group has various religions and those of no religion, just have no prayer. It’s not the end of the world.
Let me guess that it was the Yankees from the north east who have moved to NC in the last few years complained to the ACLU
NORTH CAROLINA STATE CONSTITUTION
PREAMBLE
We, the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for the preservation of the American Union and the existence of our civil, political and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those blessings to us and our posterity, do, for the more certain security thereof and for the better government of this State, ordain and establish this Constitution.
https://www.ncleg.net/Legislation/constitution/ncconstitution.html
Sec. 13. Religious liberty.
All persons have a natural and inalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences, and no human authority shall, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience.
Sec. 35. Recurrence to fundamental principles.
A frequent recurrence to fundamental principles is absolutely necessary to preserve the blessings of liberty.
Sec. 7. Oath.
Before entering upon the duties of an office, a person elected or appointed to the office shall take and subscribe the following oath:
“I, _______________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and maintain the Constitution and laws of the United States, and the Constitution and laws of North Carolina not inconsistent therewith, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of my office as _______________, so help me God.”
Section 1. Education encouraged.
Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools, libraries, and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.
How is it again that the ACLU has the right to interfere with a states right issue as a county has to adhere to the states constitution ?
They are Gods. /s
How about Iron Maiden’s “Number of the Beast”?
—”No, that wouldn’t be ok. But a normal American prayer is.”
You’re really missing the whole point of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
It’s wrong for the government to condone a particular religion. Period.
If you think Christianity is “normal” and then you seek to condone government offices to do Christian prayers, then how about in the future when there are more Islamics in a particular city decide to have noon Islamic prayers on their magic carpet while kneeling and sticking their asses up in the air?
Consider the town in Michigan that today is now dominated by Islamics:
Read and learn how short-sighted your view is.
I think that a change in their procedures would allow for prayer. Here’s the ruling from last year that was appealed.
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07/14/2017
A federal appeals court on Friday ruled that a government prayer practice in North Carolina was
unconstitutional because a local board of commissioners only allowed its elected representatives,
all of whom are Christian, to deliver religious invocations.
For years, the Rowan County Board of Commissioners has opened its twice-monthly meetings with
a prayer delivered by one of its five members. The prayers are “invariably and unmistakably
Christian in content,” according to the ruling, and a review of recorded meetings showed that
97 percent of the invocations mentioned “Jesus,” “Christ” or the “Savior.” Prayers also
occasionally implied Christianity was superior to other faiths, or proselytized by asking
attendees to accept the Christian faith.
In a 10-5 ruling, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Rowan County’s practice violated
the establishment clause of the First Amendment and exceeded the limits of Supreme Court-approved
legislative prayer.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rowan-county-prayer-ruling_us_5968e4f1e4b0174186270695
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