Posted on 06/04/2019 3:40:31 PM PDT by dontreadthis
It sure is bizarre that she/they were willing to risk being accused of using Russian dirt to influence the outcome of the campaign in order to obscure the fact that it was a work of fiction. I don’t know what the percentages for that are - except that they thought it would all get covered up in an HRC administration. As it is they have done a really good job getting the media to project this onto Trump and steer clear of reporting the fact that they admit to being guilty of this very crime (even if they are not, their story is that they are!).
If there are other information to support this theory that Steele did not get the info from foreign intel sources I’d sure like to know it, keep a running list.
Given her placing in the flow of information, that is entirely possible. I don’t know of any evidence that suggests she did though. afaik, she testified that she received the info and passed it along to her husband for further referral to the FBI.
Got any evidence? I’d like to keep a running list to add to the 3 points I cited.
Dossier author Christopher Steele identified a former Russian spy chief and a top adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin as being involved in handling potentially compromising information about President Donald Trump, State Department notes show.
In her notes, [Hillary Clinton/Obama] State Department official Kathleen Kavalec also referred to the two Russians former Russian foreign intelligence chief Vyacheslav Trubnikov and Putin aide Vladislav Surkov as sources. ...
https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/16/steele-dossier-sources-state-department/
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Note that this first article below from the left-wing, cover the Dems' butts, snooze magazine, Newsweek, was meant to "dirty" Trump.
Meanwhile, this Russian spy guy for KGB/FSB Putin that they are scaring the public about was, it appears, working with them, The Democrats! to HURT Trump and HELP Hillary win the election! Lol!
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From Newsweek, Feb 12, 2019...
Americans who worry about Russia election interference should stop focusing on such trivialities and instead realize that the idea that they have a choice over how they are governed is a mere illusion, Vladislav Surkov, an adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin, wrote in an op-ed published this week.
The illusion of choice is the most important illusion, the main trick of Western democracy especially .
The rejection of this illusion in favor of the reality that everything is predestined will allow society to reflect first on our vision of democratic development, Surkov wrote.
Foreign politicians talk about Russias interference in elections and referendums around the world.
In fact, the matter is even more serious: Russia interferes in your brains, we change your conscience, and there is nothing you can do about it.
Election interference is not the main thing Americans should be worried about, said an adviser to the Russian president.
In his op-ed for the Russian publication Nezavisimaya Gazeta, or Independent Newspaper, Surkov also laid out Putins vision of returning Russia to its rightful role as a global superpower and exporting Putinism as an ideology to be adopted around the world.
After having fallen from the USSR to the Russian Federation, Russia stopped collapsing and began to recover and return to its natural and only possible state as a large nation that is on the rise, he wrote.
The great role assigned to our country in the history of the world does not allow us to leave the stage or keep silent among the crowd .
It does not promise peace .
Putins great political machine is only gaining momentum and gearing up for a long, difficult, and interesting job, Surkov continued.
He then went on to describe Putin as the founder of modern Russia, similar to the Turkish leader Mustafa Kemal Ataturk or Frances Charles de Gaulle.
Putinism is the ideology of the future, he wrote.
The political system created in Russia is suitable not only for the future of local areas, it clearly has significant export potential. ...
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-president-vladimir-putin-election-americans-1327793
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Vladislav Yuryevich Surkov (born 21 September 1964)[1] is a Russian businessman and politician of Chechen descent.[2]
He was First Deputy Chief of the Russian Presidential Administration from 1999 to 2011, during which time he was widely seen as the main ideologist of the Kremlin who proposed and implemented the concept of sovereign democracy in Russia.
From December 2011 until May 2013 Surkov served as the Russian Federations Deputy Prime Minister.[3][4]
After his resignation, Surkov returned to the Presidential Executive Office and became a personal adviser of Vladimir Putin on relationships with Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Ukraine.[5]
Surkov is perceived by many to be a key figure with much power and influence in the administration of Vladimir Putin.[6][7][8]
According to The Moscow Times, this perception is not dependent on the official title Surkov might hold at any one time in the Putin government.[9]
BBC documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis credits Surkovs blend of theater and politics with keeping Putin, and Putins chosen successors, in power since 2000.[10]
Journalists in Russia and abroad have speculated that Surkov writes under the pseudonym Nathan Dubovitsky, although the Kremlin denies it.[11][12][13][14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladislav_Surkov
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Now check out this below from conservative (patriot) commentator Dan Bongino, May 17, 2019...
"Thanks to recently released notes from an interview the State Departments Kathleen Kavalec had with dossier author Christopher Steele, a possible bombshell connection between Halper and the dossier has been uncovered.
As discussed earlier in the week on the podcast, those notes also demonstrate Steele failing to keep his story straight between the State Department and FBI, proving how unreliable he is.
In Kavalecs handwritten notes from their interview she makes note of two of Steeles dossier sources; Trubnikov and Surkov.
Surkov is Vladislav Surkov, an aide of Vladimir Putin who is on the U.S.s list of sanctioned individuals, and Trubnikov is Vyacheslav Trubnikov, who is currently the First Deputy of Foreign Minister of Russia and formally served as the Director of Foreign Intelligence Service.
Interestingly, Trubnikov is an associate of Halper. ..."
https://bongino.com/new-document-exposes-two-russian-dossier-sources/
yes, that.
The connection between the Dossier and the Papa-d op.
On Wednesday, [May 1, 2019] Attorney General William Barr testified that he is concerned about the Trump-Russia dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele and paid for by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign.
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) asked Barr whether or not the Department of Justice (DOJ) could confirm that the Steele dossier was not part of the disinformation campaign Russia used to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
How do we know that the Steele dossier is not itself evidence of the Russian disinformation campaign, knowing what we know now that basically the allegations made therein were second-hand, hearsay, or unverified, Cornyn stated, referring to key claims in the dossier that the report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller disproved, such as the claim that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen traveled to Prague.
Can you state with confidence that the Steele dossier was not part of the Russian disinformation campaign? Cornyn asked.
No, I cant state that with confidence and that is one of the areas that Im reviewing, Barr replied. Im concerned about it and I dont think its entirely speculative.
If Russia had a hand in the Steele dossier, that would imply that Hillary Clintons campaign and the DNC either worked with Russians or were duped by the Russians in their disinformation campaigns.
It would mean that the real collusion with Russia may have been on the Clinton side, rather than the Trump side.
(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...
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July 2017...
While the mainstream news media hunts for evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, the public record shows that Democrats have willfully used Moscow disinformation to influence the presidential election against Donald Trump and attack his administration.
The disinformation came in the form of a Russian-fed dossier written by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele. It contains a series of unverified criminal charges against Mr. Trumps campaign aides, such as coordinating Moscows hacking of Democratic Party computers.
Some Democrats have widely circulated the discredited information.
Mr. Steele was paid by the Democrat-funded opposition research firm Fusion GPS with money from a Hillary Clinton backer.
Fusion GPS distributed the dossier among Democrats and journalists. The information fell into the hands of the FBI, which used it in part to investigate Mr. Trumps campaign aides.
Mr. Steele makes clear that his unproven charges came almost exclusively from sources linked to the Kremlin and Russian President Vladimir Putin. He identified his sources as a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure, a former top level Russian intelligence officer active inside the Kremlin, a senior Kremlin official and a senior Russian government official.
The same Democrats who have condemned Russias election interference via plying fake news and hacking email servers have quoted freely from the Steele anti-Trump memos derived from creatures of the Kremlin.
In other words, there is public evidence of significant, indirect collusion between Democrats and Russian disinformation...
Continued at source...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russian-information-on-trum/
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Just the same circumstantial evidence that you have. Couple that with the process of guilt by insinuation, and shifting the burden to her to prove otherwise, and it seems like a lock to me.
I agree she has basically no power, but she is a figurehead and can certainly make her opinions known. She is the one constant that stays on no matter which PM or party rules the parliament so she has a different perspective. I’d think most of all her influence is on the conscience, to reflect the conscience of the country.
But, its more likely that the UK government would just make a pragmatic decision. They know there is a serious effort to get to the bottom of the 2016 election scheme, and their involvement will be revealed to some degree. Wouldn’t it be better that they cooperate than be outed? Think of their domestic politics. What would the people think of embarrassing revelations of interference and impropriety? How would it be spun? How would it influence US-UK relations on the many other fronts if they stonewalled Trump on this?
For the millionth time...the queen has no, none, zero, bupkiss, nada culpability nor influence in policy making in the UK !
She is a FIGUREHEAD, who performs CEREMONIAL procedures, such as the opening of Parliament, hosting foreign dignitaries ( a la STATE DINNERS ), opening flower shows at Kew, watching the TROOPING OF THE GUARD, supporting charities, laying wreaths on Armed Forces Day, etc.!
The Queen ( and in the recent past and again in the future, the KING ) also acts as a sort of "ambassador" to other nations; especially those that form the Commonwealth.
Even in the past, when the monarch still had a tiny bit of "power", it was nothing much to speak of and that has been the case since right after Cromwell.
The BIGGEST "job" of the Brit Royalty is to draw people TO the UK, as tourism is a large part of their economy.
How then did the Queen disbnad the Autralian gov’t when they had a gov’t shutdown?
She should have NO power at all. Only symbolic.
Take ALL power from the monarchy.
How then did she disband the Auataslian gov’t when they had a gov’t shutdown?
It is amazing how the narrative keeps shifting. They had a bundle of excuses about the dossier and FBI scheming before finally settling on trying to sell us that it was a legitimate ‘counter-intelligence investigation’.
Now that it’s clear it is bunk, they are spinning this ‘mayve it was Russian disinformation’ tale. Isn’t it their job to think of this possibility beforehand? I know it is, and I know they have procedures to vet information such as the Woods Procedure. Apparently the FBI fast tracked the dossier at the highest levels bypassing Woods. That implies they either knew it wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny (it was unverifiable), they didn’t want any more people in on the scheme or scrutinizing their decisions, and/or they were knowingly using a bogus document to give the veneer of legitimacy to an illegal scheme.
Though, of note, AG Barr is also asking this question. So it could be part of an effort to pressure those involved. If he’s trying to catch them in a lie, or get them to confess, or let them give a story that is provably false, he has to get them to answer these kinds of questions. He’s calling them on their own BS. I don’t deny Russia had their hand in the election, but I don’t believe they had anything to do with this. My thinking is that Russia benefits by dividing and weakening America - and on that score this FBI scheme, the Democrats and the complicit media are doing more to help Russia than Putin ever dreamed of accomplishing.
I'm usually very good with interpreting typos, but that was just a mess! Did you mean AUSTRALIANS?
The Queen did NOTHING about it!
I don’t know specifically about Australia, but in the UK they took that power away from her a number of years ago. She forms the government - someone in every parliamentary system has that authority, and I think that role goes to a figurehead type who simply gives the first shot to form a coalition to the head of whichever party got the most seats - but she can no longer dissolve the government. At least in the UK.
Yes, that’s about it. Most Americans think she has as much power as my beloved Richard the Third. She doesn’t.
Oh, she didn’t?
Yes, she did.
That’s funny.
I typed it correctly another time.
The queen just appointed someone who did it for her when he fired all of parliament in Australia. But he did her bidding nonetheless.
You see, the UK needs a constitution that is a carbon copy of the U.S., where they get a first and second amendment, etc, and no Freeper here would disagree with that.
Then the fraudulent monarchy of the Saxe-Coburg-Gothe needs to be stripped of all power and left with no federally funded slush money to play with.
Funny how this announcement coincides with Trump’s visit to England.
Hannity last night said it might have been moved yesterday.
The UK needs a first and second amendment at the very least.
The queen and all others need to be stripped of all ability to disband govt’s either directly or by proxy. That is about as authoritarian as one can get.
End ‘no bishop, no king’ and you can get rid of that.
Just turn England into a Representative Republic like the U.S. with all constitutional privileges, and then end the federally-funded slush money piggybank the monarchy gets to play with.
the right-wing in the UK wants a first and second amendment, and they have a right to both.
I’ll add to my list questions about the timeline. Steele was hired in June 2016 and he turned in his his first memo shortly thereafter. Is it plausible he could find sources, negotiate payment, get the info in such short a time? It was all completed by October.
True, but two basic facts you need to understand and consider...
1) Russia had a huge stake in the outcome of the election, as the Obama-Biden-Hillary admin had handed to them just about everything they could possibly ask for in such critically important areas as missile defense, the New Start nuke treaty, the Iran nuke and big cash deal (that Putin loved and boasted to have played a large role in), the Obama-Hillary Uranium-One deal, where O-H allowed the Russians to grab control of 20% of our uranium production. And they did all these things and more as they, at the same time, practically crippled us militarily.
2) The Russians are notoriously known for interfering in other country's elections. Just ask the pro-American Ukrainians. In 2014, the opponent of Putin's puppet candidate, to this day, is scarred by an assassination-by-poisoning attempt on his life.
You can check out my FR Home page for much more on all of this, including how Trump-Pence have undone many of the dangerous things the OBH admin did during their 8 years in power, regarding missile defense, the New STart nuke treaty, the Iran deal, etc. Also Trump has substantially rebuilt the military.
It really is, or should be by now, a no-brainer that the Russians would absolutely have wanted Hillary over Trump. Especially at such a time as now, as they are in the process of basically restoring their lost (evil) empire.
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