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Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally
Science Mag ^ | Jan. 26, 2020

Posted on 01/27/2020 3:15:58 PM PST by nuconvert

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To: DoughtyOne

“While I understand your point, these same agencies are looking for government dollars any way they can get them.”

Pretty much on target, especially, for example, on the topic of AGW.

“For that reason the information is worthless, and serves to discredit other reasoned reports.”

You seem to dismiss anything that uses certain “code words” - may, could, might, should... - out of hand, though, and I am attempting to caution you against that, because those “other reasoned reports” will appropriately use exactly those same “code words” and you are encouraging people to dismiss them on that basis rather than on the merits.

I fully recognize that we have our fair share of pearl clutchers here, but the best approach would be to rely on the people with appropriate expertise here on FR. Surely we have people with medical training who can say what’s BS and what’s legit. Maybe they can try and filter out some of the noise for us, rather than have a bunch of people calling this the end of the world and another bunch saying it’s all a big nothing-burger.


21 posted on 01/27/2020 4:14:27 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Progressive Mafia.)
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To: Fai Mao

If you were trying to develop tactics for using bioweapons, you would want to release something less deadly, but deadly enough to expose the defenses of your opponents.

The less-deadly exposure would also serve to reduce the panic that might occur in future bioweapons attacks, rendering them more effective due to lowered defenses.


22 posted on 01/27/2020 4:15:26 PM PST by motor_racer (If you don't read the news, you are uninformed. If you read the news, you are misinformed.)
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To: blueplum
FTA:

“Now It seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,” he wrote. “But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.” Lucey notes that the discovery of the coronavirus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome, a sometimes fatal disease that occurs sporadically, came from a patient in Saudi Arabia in June 2012, although to an earlier hospital outbreak of unexplained pneumonia in Jordan in April 2012. Stored samples from two people who died in Jordan confirmed they had been infected with the virus. Retrospective analyses of blood samples in China from people and animals—including vendors from other animal markets—may reveal a clear picture of where the 2019-nCoV originated, he suggests. “There might be a clear signal among the noise,” he says.


23 posted on 01/27/2020 4:19:26 PM PST by wtd
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To: motor_racer

Lol.


24 posted on 01/27/2020 4:21:19 PM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: calenel

I urge people to be prepared for the worst, and try to sit back and wait for the real news to come out.

Some agency running a model predicting a 15% mortality rate up front, that turns out to be a 2.?% mortality rate in the end, does destroy credibility.

Further, anyone providing reasoned information in the ball park that will be sustained, is then referred to as having their head in the sand.

Some of these people running these models, are either mathematicians, a lab, or the medical community. What medical person can make any more sense of that than you and I?

Urging a go slow approach is reasoned.


25 posted on 01/27/2020 4:22:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (It's a New Year, and time to up our FR Monthlies by 5-10%. You'll <hardly miss it and it will help.)
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To: RainMan

Wu flu?


26 posted on 01/27/2020 4:23:32 PM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: blueplum

Same for 2 of the 3 in Virginia.


27 posted on 01/27/2020 4:29:35 PM PST by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hur)
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To: dougherty

uh huh.
You decide which is a better source on the subject.


28 posted on 01/27/2020 4:31:20 PM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: wtd

What....?

That be real.

Not even the effing Canadians would be that puckish as to set Muslims up with the means to produce biological weapons unimpeded.


29 posted on 01/27/2020 4:31:39 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: blueplum

It’s early yet. You have to go with the most educated, reliable sources and hope they get it right.


30 posted on 01/27/2020 4:35:50 PM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Are we talking about this article or some other one?


31 posted on 01/27/2020 4:37:53 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Progressive Mafia.)
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To: BenLurkin
Terrifyingly plausible.


32 posted on 01/27/2020 4:48:20 PM PST by wtd
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To: wtd
That makes sense .
Sloppy and dangerous handling by Chinese spies .
And they are still spying away here and elsewhere.
Open border globalism is so grand .
Just look at the star war bar scene in those photos.
I bet the Chinese were the only ones spying there .
33 posted on 01/27/2020 4:57:18 PM PST by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalist)
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To: nuconvert

It couldn’t be the Level 4 Biolab in the same city, could it?


34 posted on 01/27/2020 4:58:11 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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To: Mr. Blond; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; ..
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's life, it's worth it.

35 posted on 01/27/2020 5:55:49 PM PST by null and void (The government wants to disarm us after 243 yrs 'cuz they plan to do things we would shoot them for!)
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To: nuconvert

I didn’t know that bats were seafood.


36 posted on 01/27/2020 6:22:44 PM PST by a fool in paradise (We need a tax to stamp out Communism- If you espouse Marxism weÂ’ll redistribute all of your money.)
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To: a fool in paradise

If you hold them under water long enough.....


37 posted on 01/27/2020 6:23:22 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: a fool in paradise

I guess its more of a surf & turf & cave market. They sold live animals too.


38 posted on 01/27/2020 6:24:44 PM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: nuconvert

That was supposed to be bait for really large fish.


39 posted on 01/27/2020 6:31:46 PM PST by a fool in paradise (We need a tax to stamp out Communism- If you espouse Marxism weÂ’ll redistribute all of your money.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’ve heard were they call the ones where they sell all the weird live animals are called “wet” markets (not sure why). And then some people interpreted that as “seafood” markets.


40 posted on 01/27/2020 6:58:22 PM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful!)
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