Italian daily coronavirus deaths jump 19% to 2,158

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[Vision]

I've heard the deaths are out of proportion because there's a large elderly asian population working in shoe factories

[grey_whiskers]

Another self-aggrandizing Dot-not-feather.

"This is 'Peggy'. Have you tried rebooting your lungs?"

[Bommer]

I've been posting to this link since January. How the Chinese stole the Corona Virus from Canada and Weaponized it.

It is too damned detailed to be made up. Traces the roots of the virus from an Egyptian Sars case in 2013, to the lab in Winnapeg and the Chinese doctor Dr.Xianggo Qiu and her husband were caught stealing Corona and other viruses from the National Microbiology Research lab.

Heres is a photo of Dr. Qiu and her lovely husband Kendi Cheng, both escorted out of the National Microbiology Research Lab in Winnapeg after being caught stealing viruses sample. Canada is supposedly investigation, but wont release any information.

Blame it on Canada!

[Kazan]

Most countries took extreme measures to stop it's spread once it took hold. Italy did not...they waited too long. That's the difference.

AND, the fact Italy has the second oldest population in the world. The average age of death of a corona patient there is 81.

[Zhang Fei]

[Also we should know the nationality of the fatalities as there are a lot of workers from Wuhan in Italy due to the leather industry being sold to China. ]

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I’m surprised all those dead Chinese had relatives who felt it necessary to pay for obituaries in Italian language newspapers. Maybe they really went native.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-obituaries-pages-italian-newspaper-21696391
[”This is the daily newspaper of Bergamo, one of the epidemic hotspot in Italy,” a Twitter caption to the footage read.

“On Febrary 9th, obituaries occupied 1.5 pages.

“On March 13th, the paper printed 10 (!!) pages of obituaries.]

[Vision]

If you're right how do you explain the low deaths in other countries?

[Kazan]

From Italy:

https://www.thelocal.it/20200311/coronavirus-what-do-we-know-about-the-victims-in-italy

The picture is very similar to that given by the previous set of statistics released on March 5: the median age of the deceased is 80, the majority of victims are male, and they had an average of 2.7 pre-existing health conditions.

Almost all patients were already suffering from serious health problems, including cancer, when the coronavirus infection was detected, according to the new data from the ISS.

Two of those who died had no pre-existing health conditions, the data showed.

"Patients who died with coronavirus have an average age of over 80 years, 80.3. The peak of mortality is in the 80-89 year age range. Lethality, ie the number of deaths among the sick, is higher among those over 80," stated.

On March 5, the average given age of the deceased was slightly higher at 81 years old, but the overall picture remains very similar.

Brusaferro stated that two patients under the age of 40 had died. Both were aged 39. One had a tumour and died in hospital, while the other died at home and “had some comorbid factors including diabetes, obesity and other types of ailments that characterized his life before becoming infected,” said Brusaferro.

[Zhang Fei]

[True, but if the population of the infected and dying is mostly Chinese, the age is much lower than the average death age we’ve been told. 80 year olds aren’t your usual factory worker.]

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I’m surprised all those dead Chinese had relatives who felt it necessary to pay for obituaries in Italian language newspapers. Maybe they really went native.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-obituaries-pages-italian-newspaper-21696391
[”This is the daily newspaper of Bergamo, one of the epidemic hotspot in Italy,” a Twitter caption to the footage read.

“On Febrary 9th, obituaries occupied 1.5 pages.

“On March 13th, the paper printed 10 (!!) pages of obituaries.]

[Pearls Before Swine]

The posted page is blurry. Are most of the people in the obits Chinese or Italian?

I’m not contesting for a moment the upsurge in deaths. I was responding to questions asked about whether the deaths were concentrated in migrant workers or migrant Italians.

And, if my comment on age is wrong... then perhaps my info was based on early comments about a different group of people.

[Zhang Fei]

[Are most of the people in the obits Chinese or Italian?]

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Obituaries are basically classified ads paid for by the relatives of the dead. That’s why they’re usually cloying in tone even for people with no redeeming social value, like mobsters (not to mention lawyers and politicians). Unless you think it’s plausible that relatives of transient Chinese sweatshop workers are paying for obituaries in Italian language newspapers in Italy, I’m gonna guess that the vast majority of deaths from this pathogen are Italian Italians.

Each page had an average of 8 columns and 8 names per column. That’s 64 per page. 10 pages would be 640 names. Before the catastrophe, obituaries were 1-1/2 pages. That’s 96 names. So the increase in daily deaths comes to over 500, which is higher than the daily coronavirus death toll so far. These are obviously rough guesses, but they lead me to wonder whether there are coronavirus deaths that remain unrecorded as pathogen-related. At any rate, my guess is that based on the vast expansion in the obituaries section, the vast majority (perhaps 99%) of coronavirus deaths in Italy are ethnic Italian.

[dinodino]

I don’t explain it. That job is for the WHO, CDC, et al. I have seen reports that there are two different strains of COVID-19, with greatly differing lethality. That would certainly account for it.

[Pearls Before Swine]

Ahh. Now I understand. I thought I was supposed to see from looking at the page. I would have understood you if it was a clearer image.

And that’s a careful analysis relating the obit page to the death stats.

[Zhang Fei]

[Ahh. Now I understand. I thought I was supposed to see from looking at the page. I would have understood you if it was a clearer image.

And that’s a careful analysis relating the obit page to the death stats.]

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A footnote - not everyone has living relatives willing to pony up for an obituary. And of those who do pay up, presumably not everyone does so in that particular daily. So the obituary expansion in this particular Italian paper is probably not all-inclusive of the extraordinary death toll from this virus.

[wgmalabama]

I am sure you do. Based on your posts you advocate for the absolutely worst path forward. It is either your loyalties are misplaced or you made some really bad bets on the market. TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON....

Which is it. Neither you would admit too. You will just keep shouting nothing is wrong, it’s just a cold, flu kills more ....

[Zhang Fei]

2nd footnote - if this bug is just the flu, the question is why the obituaries went from 1.5 pages to 10. We’d have to assume that survivors of the coronavirus dead are much more into paying for obituaries than the relatives of people who died from the flu.

[Mr. Blond]

Read it somewhere, can’t recall. You may be right, but France’s number includes French-born Chinese. Italy’s official numbers are just for Chinese nationals, they no longer count those who acquire citizenship.

[SmokingJoe]

You deranged rant has noting whatsoever to do with my post that you were replying to. Now why don't you scurry along and slink back to the hole you crawled out of and spread your panic and hysteria elsewhere?

[thesearethetimes...]

Thank you!
That kind of detail certainly could explain the discrepancy.

[reasonisfaith]

Your recent behavior from a couple days ago, when you rudely and impulsively responded with personal attacks and poorly considered comments to my posts, inclines me to believe the opposite of whatever you claim.

[grey_whiskers]

Your first claiming "the Holy Spirit" then suddenly backpedaling, indicates you are not discussing in good faith.

A number of other posters have likewise identified you as a troll.

Go infest DU with your interruptions; waste their time instead of ours.

(If you *are* a believer, they need your ministration more than FR does anyway.)