Posted on 05/27/2020 7:17:30 AM PDT by bort
Thank you so much for bring other events into this discussion Mr. foul teeth troll.
I am curious as to why you want to see the autopsy so bad. It is clear as day, on the video, of what killed him.
I bet you are hoping their are drugs in his system. Even though drugs in the system stay for periods of time after the effects have worn off.
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Are you serious? I want to see the autopsy because it will tell us the CAUSE OF DEATH. It is not CLEAR “what killed him.” The police called for an ambulance BEFORE the knee went on the neck. This man was obviously on drugs, probably PCP. He was essentially fighting with a police officer who was trying to get him out of a car. And he was rambling incoherently BEFORE you see the video of him on the ground. Have you ever seen someone high on PCP or similar drugs? They have super-human strength and won’t even feel a taser. They are also a danger to themselves and others. My educated guess is that the police thought he was on PCP, had him secured on the ground, and didn’t want him to get up on his feet where he could hurt them or hurt himself (like running in front of a car). Of course had they let him up and he ran in front of a truck and died, the rent-a-riot would be claiming the cops should have held him down.
If you had a scintilla of comprehension, you would have noted by now that I have not defended the death of the detainee Mr. foul teeth troll.
Thanks for the video link that one is from a different phone I believe. I will look for the knee placement on this one to compare to the other. Maybe I will be able hear what the store clerk stated better too. reviewing now
I watched the knee placement very closely. As an engineer, I watched the knee work its way down to wedge itself between the shoulder and the base of the skull. In this position, with the lever arm and fulcrum point, only a slight amount of force applied, in the right direction, could in fact pop the skull right off the spinal column.
Think of a pry bar, with the knee working as the pry bar, the shoulders working as the pivot point, and the base of the skull being the pried object. I simply cannot believe this is taught, and if it is, it needs to stop immediately. This is a perfect setup for paralysis or death.
Also, the main guy talking, says he knows that move is not ok per his training. As a matter of fact, if he is indeed telling the truth, this maneuver is not allowed, probably due to that which I note above.
The release of the bowels can be seen running on the ground out of the back of the police vehicle. Many have speculated air conditioning condensation. This is incorrect as it is at the back of the vehicle, not in the front. No condenser that I know of is located in the back of the vehicle. Again, the engineer in me knows that you would not put the condenser back there due to having to run lines back and forth along the entire length of the vehicle.
Hope this helps.
I cannot answer for every case in every department in the history of the United States. So, perhaps we should stick to this thread ok?
This IS sticking to the thread. If these guys don’t get convicted of murder that does NOT mean they aren’t murderers. We have a proven history of cops getting off that shows conviction rate is not equal to crime rate.
And if the police called the ambulance before all this, did the actions of kneeling on his neck increase his chances or decrease his chances of making it?
I cannot answer for every case in every police department in the history of the United States. So, sticking to this thread, I do expect charges to be filed against one or more officers.
You have said you make a living defending criminals you despise.
If so, you are used to snowing juries with alternate theories on the few occasions you go to trial.
This isn’t a courtroom. You don’t have the duty to defend those cops.
I respect someone being willing to present the other side of the argument, but this forum deserves fairness, not spin.
Everyone with eyes can see that cop kneeling on the neck of a subdued, cuffed man for two and a half minutes after he becomes unresponsive. Whatever the man did before those two and a half minutes becomes irrelevant.
You keep using the same dodge. It was pathetic the first time, and just gets worse.
I don’t expect charges to get filed. And I don’t expect a conviction. Even though they are OBVIOUSLY murderers. Cops get off. They get off all the time. And you either know that or you’re an idiot.
I see where the knee looks like it is on the neck for this video. I think I heard the store clerk stated he called the police. He stated the guy was highly OD (over dose). The short police officer even hinted at drugs.
The body cam should have another view. Need to sync both videos to see. The body cam will show a better view.
By the way: Handcuffs behind the back is not going to keep the person from running out into traffic if he was high on drugs.
Still in doubt about the position of the knee one angle is at the shoulder blade/bottom of neck the other angle made it look like it was on the neck. I would think an autopsy should show broken bones or some type of damage in the neck if that procedure cause the death.
Was that a police train procedure like the black guy in video stated?
Bort is in no way an attny.
Never mind a defense Attny
Maybe a Wannabe be Attny thats about it
Or flunky x law student.
There is no reason any successful Attny would be posting opin and/or innuendoes on a political message board,at risk of loosing their license and destroying the firm if discovered.
Plus any attny worth a crap is way to busy to be here at noon on a weekday posting BS opinions.
Bort is a fraud and nothing more than an internet racist dousche bag and full of S#!T
Anyone that cant see that is just as ignorant as Bort
Hope this helps
The man seems to indicate that during his time at the academy that move was not legal. I would assume, due to human anatomy, that the back would be the proper location. Probably between the shoulder blades if I had to guess.
Also, running out into traffic may very well be a possibility, one for which the back of the squad car is meant for I would assume.
When it works against them, not so much.
“decrease his chances of making it?”
” police called the ambulance” I think they did call the police. From the store clerk comments leads me to believe he call the police on this guy because he was high on drugs. The store clerk is key to to determine what really happen. We need to hear from the store clerk.
If the guy was so OD the action of kneeling on the neck or shoulder blade and even the act of trying to control the person decrease the chance of the person of making it.
Disclaimer we do not know if the person OD and was in processing of dying from the OD during the subduing.
If the guy was in the process of having a heart attack from Overdosing, the process of subduing him could make the heart attack worst.
If they identified the medical issue after subduing him they might could have save his life or give him better odds by stopping the act of subduing.
Should the cops know when a person is in the process of dying when they have high number of people fake stuff/medical during arrest?
The witness on the sidewalk did (note they do not see people faking stuff all the time).
I would also hope, when reviewing police tactics, that an unresponsive man would require at least a pulse check.
The off duty first responder certainly seemed to indicate that is standard operating procedure.
If you had a scintilla of comprehension, you would have noted by now that I have not defended the death of the detainee Mr. foul teeth troll.
I'm not a foul teeth troll. Look in a mirror, JBT worshipper.
I don't hear a scintilla of regret that he died, coming from you, either.
I do see lots of bald faced lies and handwaving from the JBT crowd on this thread:
"He was high as a kite."
"He was about to run into traffic."
"He was flailing wildly, representing a threat to officers and bystanders."
"He was mumbling incoherently so he was on drugs."
None of those in any was justify kneeling on his neck until he died.
Try admitting the cops killed him.
Then admit they shouldn't have.
Then admit what they did was way out of proportion for the current state of affairs once he was on the ground.
Can you even manage that much?
In my opinion, the lack of a pulse check, is one of the most damning parts.
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