When Does COVID Stop Being COVID?

Townhall.com ^ | December 23, 2021 | Ted Noel

[Bob434]

We wouldn’t be in 5his state of affairs if trump,Trump, taken his rightful place as the reelected president of the US.

The left stole the election, and locked down the country in their hostile takeover of this nation.

[Bob434]

In 2018 7,700 people died of all causes every day on average. How many are dying per day of all causes now with coronavirus thrown Into the mix?

[Bob434]

Check put the chart of daily deaths since 1950 in the chart in th3 link. Despite our population growing a lot since 1950, we have less deaths per day now (which so e of it can be attributed to better heath care of course) but note that there hasn’t been a massive incline jump since covid arrived, and I read the other day, that since 2016, there has been an also in yearly deaths to the tune of 20-30,000 per year, (2016 being the biggest incline from the previous year) whole 2020 shows,only an incline of roughly 6,500 from 2019

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

Something doesn’t seem to be adding up - the chart in link seems to show a steady incline, likely taking into account population increases each year. With no large spikes along the way. Seems to me that if we’ve supposedly added another 1,000,000 deaths roughly as claimed (870,000 they now claim), Wed see a sharp incline from previous years, yet total death counts doesn’t seem to reflect that? Or is the article using the cdc stats for death increases per year not correct?

[Owen]

the top of your chart specifically says 2020 is a model prediction and does not include any Covid effects

[Bob434]

Th3 numbers for 2020 are zpparently in a d do have covid numbers mixed in. UT zpparently the I crease from 2029 is only 6,500 as compared to say 2016 Increase of 32,000 from 2015. Fro 2015 to 2019 there were increases of bout 20,000, then fro 2019 to 2020 ther is only an increase of 6,500 from previous year?

Again. Something isn’t adding up- I’ll try to find the info for Increased deaths and compared to 2020 number

[Bob434]

” What we are NOT seeing, is an extra half a million people dead! We are seeing however, in the data, consistency in the average US mortality rate. For example from 2018 to 2019 there was an increase of 15,633 US deaths, 2017-2018 there was an increase in US deaths of 25,702. But let’s go back a little further. In 2016, a total of 2,744,248 US deaths were registered in the United States—31,618 more deaths than in 2015. But, look at the data above directly from the CDC and you will see that 2020 had the LOWEST increase of deaths from the previous year at 6,162. 4 TIMES less than 2018 and FIVE times less than 2016!”

https://www.itsmac.com/2021/02/19/cdc-numbers-are-in-6162-more-us-deaths-in-2020-as-compared-to-2019-the-great-covid-deception/

Again, what gives? Apparently all,the data for deaths for 2020 are In now, so they can make comparisons 5o previous years. And data for 2021 will be in in a couple,of months or so, so we can’t compare 2021 yet, but the previous year it looks .ike the increase in deaths (because of increase in population) is actually,lower than previous years. If we had an excess of 850,000 additional deaths due to covid, the number of the Increase should,have been much higher, no?

[Owen]

I tend to concentrate on 65+ because so many annual deaths are in that age group. 1.8Million in a typical pre Covid year.

You will get an increase in annual deaths from population growth (more people available to die) and the reality that population skews more each year to 65+, increasing death odds for the generic person.

But of late there has been an explosion of opioid deaths among the young, which will cause departure from previous year norms.

The CDC has an all causes Excess Death page. Here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

It’s complicated, but you have an interest and can wade through it.

[Bob434]

[[But of late there has been an explosion of opioid deaths among the young]]

Good point- especially given the explosion of people pouring over the borders, bringing in more drugs than ever before too.

Thanks for the link. I’ll check through that

[RKBA Democrat]

The pandemic has been over for about 6 months in the red states. Take a look around. Is the majority wearing bibs? Is it more than a handful? Are they lining up for boosters? No, no, and no. No one cares. They’re moving on and ignoring the drama queens on the coasts.

[Svartalfiar]

Sigh this guy isn't very bright.

First, mutations happen one at a time.

Lots of mutations happen all the time. If one, or a group of them, happen to stick and spread widely, that's where you get a new variant. Mutations are not necessarily linear.


If we define COVID as that highly lethal Chinese missile, then Omicron isn’t COVID.

Even more stupid.. If we define COVID as a pickup truck, then NONE of these coronaviri are COVID! But, hey, we don't have to because 'COVID' is already defined for us: CoViD is short for "CoronaVirus Disease", or the disease cause by any coronavirus. Therefore a better statement would be: if 'Omicron' is a coronavirus, then it can cause CoViD.


Clinically, Omicron isn’t COVID.

Well, he is right here, but he probably doesn't think Delta/NL63/HKU1/etc aren't CoViD either. They are all coronaviri, that CAUSE CoViD. CoViD is the disease, not the virus itself.

[Svartalfiar]

But, look at the data above directly from the CDC and you will see that 2020 had the LOWEST increase of deaths from the previous year at 6,162. 4 TIMES less than 2018 and FIVE times less than 2016!”

And what was the relative increase in total populations each of those years? (well, technically ~68 years prior to each of those years I guess)?

[Bob434]

That is a good,point too- we had more people in th3 later part than the first part, yet .essentially increase per year if that link I posted is correct.

But I will say this, if it is true, and the conservative news media know it is, and haven’t run reports on it to counter the nonsense the left keep feeding America, then a pox on them.

[upchuck]

China virus ping.

[pigsmith]

Agreed.