Posted on 01/03/2022 8:00:39 AM PST by rktman
Something that was floating around cyberspace.....
A two-megawatt windmill is made up of 260 tons of steel that required 300 tons of iron ore and 170 tons of coking coal, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. A windmill could spin until it falls apart and never generate as much energy as was invested in building it.
Don’t know how true it is or what the math is. Of course, one website said this is demonstrably false. IDK.
I’m sure there are some on FR that will scream from every rooftop it is BS. While others will say it’s spot on. All depends on perspective and what folks want to believe.
Either way, buying an EV and using a coal fired or natural gas power plant to charge that EV, seems a bit hypocritical and aloof. That’s just me.
My bad.
Thanks for the correction on the terminology used in the cockpit of the Millenium Falcon.
Perhaps they should have limited the study to your circumstance. 😂🙌 Obviously a wide ranging overview. Glad it works for you.
Hopefully tow trucks will remain IC engines so they can get the EVs off the roads when they run out of juice.
Just wait until millions are charging from home, you think those rates won't skyrocket?
It’s only hypocritical if you claim you are buying an EV for environmental reasons. If you buy one for the reason I did - because it’s a fun toy - then there is no hypocrisy whatsoever.
I have really enjoyed it over the last 6 years and am about to get another. Also, it was such a great feeling of risk mitigation when there were disrupted gas supplies in the Southeast and the resulting runs on the gas stations left many empty.
I basically smooth out gas price fluctuations by driving my EV more when gas prices spike, or driving my other ICE vehicles more when gas prices go down.
I love both EV and ICE, I just don’t understand why they have to be so polarizing. EV’s are really fun and have made driving more interesting.
It’s a fun toy now, while it’s basically just the early adopters using EVs.
Funnier’n hell.
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because it’s a fun toy ....... I’ll give you that, as long as you didn’t get a tax break just for buying one.
As for your risk mitigation, it would be irrelevant during rolling blackouts and when power shuts down like it did last winter in Texas.
So, you can afford a toy that others can’t. I don’t care. But, it seems a bit pompous to have a ‘great feeling of risk mitigation’ when the pipeline went to sh*t last year because this country has ZERO leadership and corporate America is pretty much incompetent. Not to say that you have to feel the pain like everyone else, but I don’t see it’s anything to be doing cartwheels over.
As for the polarization.....Easy Peasy....it’s being rammed down our throats - tax breaks as an incentive to buy one when the same incentives aren’t available to anyone else for anything else(Ga was giving rich folks who could afford a $100k Tesla a $5k tax break..I’m not about giving a guy who can afford a $100k Sunday Driver tax money) - it’s places like California more or less outlawing gas engines in the future - they’ve outlawed 2-cycle engines, cars and trucks soon to follow.
I have a question for you or anyone else that cares to answer: Ford is really pushing their EV F150. It shows the truck powering up a house during a power outage. Just how much electricity is stored in that truck? Folks who have standby generators have to do some serious planning and math if/when the power goes out and they turn to a generator, unless they have one so big it’ll power the whole house. And if that’s being done, I’d say they’d have to have, at least, a 15k generator running on gas, diesel or propane. How long will that F150 last? They’re making it out like you can drive it home and then run your house for a while with no juice being generated.
A couple things that should be noted but almost never are:
If you value the life of the battery which typically costs a small fortune... most manufacturers recommend that the batteries be charged it to no more than 80% to 90%. You also should not charge to less than 20%. And if you value your battery you should not use a quick charger as they will quickly damage cells by overheating them. That immediately gets you down to about 60% of the advertised range.
Tesla admitted recently that many of their new cars shipped with batteries that were already 2 years old. Typical lithium-ion batteries lose about 10% of their capacity per year. Some do a little better and some do worse.
And then there is the issue of temperature. If lithium-ion batteries get cold their output can drop off dramatically, and if they get to warm, they can be permanently damaged. When the temperatures drop below 20 F range typically drops by 40% or more. If the vehicle is being driven in temperatures over 90 F there is a good chance that the battery could overheat and be damaged if there is a high discharge rate from accelerating quickly and driving fast especially while using the air conditioning and other accessories.
And the range numbers are almost all greatly exaggerated to begin with. People who typically spent between $40,000 and $120,000 on a new car prefer to brag about what a wise choice they made rather than share disappointing details.
I assert that EVs are worse for the environment when you factor in the mining for the minerals necessary for the batteries, and the disposal of said batteries.
EV is not about environment, it is about control
—”Electric Car with 250+ mile range that had zero chance of burning down my $1M house”
Your ICE mobile also has a chance of burning your house.
You may want to review this video of an ICE fire.
They mention 8000 fires from the single recall!!!
Very interesting, the driver is charged with murdering her elderly mother, because she died from the fire!!!
Convicted and sentenced to life, in the first trial!!!
I for got to post the link:
8,000 Fords smoked up!!!
This is a US number the same car fired up around the globe and are not included.
Theirs won’t. Ours will to pay for it!!
—” They rely far too heavily on those using commercial chargers for their charging instead of home charging.”
Yes.
Here is a study with a different methodology, and a breakdown by 15 cities fuel costs.
“Over time, the average EV owner saves money because of lower fuel and maintenance, according to a 2020 Consumer Reports study. It calculated that a Mach-E was slightly more costly in the first five years of ownership than the RAV4, but slightly cheaper over the lifetime of the vehicles.
In our look at fuel only, the driver of a Mach-E saves 4 cents to 9 cents per mile.
That means any payoff on cheaper fuel for EV owners would come twice as quickly or twice as slowly depending on your local price to pump gas or plug in.”
That said states are now charging an EV road use tax, here in Illinois, $100/year started in 2019... And soon going up, up and away...
Removing and cost advantage for the EV.
If my ICE powered car catches fire in my garage, the Fire dept. 2 minutes from my house will put it out.. Heck, even I will try to put it out, in the 2 minutes before they get here.
If a electric car catchs fire in my garage NOBODY is going to even try to put it out.
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Yes. That could very well be the case. Again, I don’t purchase things based on environmental decisions.
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