Posted on 01/22/2022 6:29:11 PM PST by TigerClaws
I'll trade LA, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Denver, Albuquerque, Minneapolis, Detroit, Milwaukee, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York City, Washington DC, Occupied Northern Virginia, Atlanta ITP, Broward County, Newark, Baltimore, the Williamette Valley. .....for a warm 6 pack. Of Schlitz.
Russia hasn't fired, or forced off the job, a single American for refusing these poison jabs.
Russia hasn't shut down a single American company or industry in response to this plandemic hoax.
Russia hasn't forced any filthy facemasks on our schoolchildren, or sent police to harass parents for speaking out against the Communist-Nazi tactics employed by our own Democrat scumbags, right here on American soil.
We have plenty of communist pizzants right here in the USA who need immediate attention, before we think about getting involved in any dust-up halfway around the world.
How about worry about our borders?
We have no business there.
Absolutely no way.
Stupid and they’re are trying to go back to endless wars.
“Russia is not a member of NATO.”
This is what I’ve found.
Relations between the NATO military alliance and the Russian Federation were established in 1991 within the framework of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council. In 1994, Russia joined the Partnership for Peace program, and since that time, NATO and Russia have signed several important agreements on cooperation.
You are correct as they are legally not members of the UN but they prior to 2014 were actively working within the NATO fold and still are in some agreements.
Before that, on 27 May 1997, at the NATO Summit in Paris, France, was where NATO and Russia signed the Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security, a road map for would-be NATO-Russia cooperation.
It set up a new forum: the “NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council” (PJC) as a venue for consultations, cooperation and consensus building. There was no provision granting NATO or Russia any veto powers over the actions of the other. NATO said it had no plans to station nuclear weapons in the new member states or send in new permanent military forces. The parties stated they did not see each other as adversaries, and, “based on an enduring political commitment undertaken at the highest political level, will build together a lasting and inclusive peace in the Euro-Atlantic area on the principles of democracy and cooperative security”.
What caused Putin to push back many of their NATO comittments was the situation in the Ukraine even while they were moderately supportive in Afghanistan.
wy69
Many are not "Euroweenies." They are simply France First, or Italy First, or even Germany First. I respect them for it.
Indeed, many Europeans do not want the U.S. to enter another war in Europe. They'd rather we stay out, regardless of what their Euro Deep State leaders say.
As for those Euro Deep State "leaders," they take their talking points from US -- the American Empire, which pressures the entire world to accept Neocon Globo-Homo.
Think if we had sent all the stuff left in Afghanistan to the Ukraine.
>>>Another note is that both the US and the Ukraine are members of NATO<<<<
No, Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO. And no sane person thinks it should be.
>>>You are correct as they are legally not members of the UN<<<
Russia is a member of the UN. It is even one of Perm Five members of the UN Security Council, the only powerful body of that organization.
>>>Russia joined the Partnership for Peace program<<<<
The old Partnership for Peace program was a polite fiction concocted to lull the Russians when they (mostly) peacefully allowed former members of the old Soviet bloc to declare independence and go their own ways, only to become NATO members in time.
When the USSR fell, the Russian people were eager to join the West. Too bad for them that Russia is too big to join the EU (polite name for the German Empire), and not wanted in NATO. So they were left out in the cold.
The only hope for Ukraine, which is not a real country, but rather a cobbled-together chunk of map, was to remain a neutral buffer state. Despite its many faults and rampant corruption, this it managed to more-or-less do until we decided to instigate a fake color revolution culminating in an armed putsch ousting the democratically-elected head of state. Civil war naturally ensued, and all the king’s horses and all the king’s men can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Sorry the history of that region is not worth the US getting involved in it. If Russia wants the Ukraine it can have it.
Lot of this is Russian history going back 300 years which people do not know and have not studied it.
* Arm Ukraine - Yes
* Provide training and intelligence - Yes
* Support our allies who want to help - Yes
* Send Americans to die in another war - Hell No
My wife was talking with a friend from Ukraine (she lives in the USA now), and the friend said that the current leader of Ukraine is nuts and nobody likes him.
Either she knows what she is talking about, or she is a Ukrainian that liked it better under the USSR. (Well, she is young, so perhaps her parents liked it better back when.)
From the webs. Both parts of that sentence is disconcerting:
Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy is a Ukrainian actor, comedian and politician who is the 6th and current president of Ukraine since 20 May 2019.
This is what governments do when they have so screwed up their domestic policies that there is large scale discontent among the population. Look at the polls for Biden and the Democrats. Not only the Democrats, but also the establishment Republicans and the “permanent” government. They need to give the public a foreign enemy to focus their anger on, and before election time. Considering the level of corruption in the Ukraine, it would be the perfect place for a war. Just think of all the money the establishment could steal as Washington once again throws enormous sums of money at another problem they have created.
By all means sell or even give Ukraine weapons. But going to war with a nuclear Russia over Ukraine is insane. They aren’t a NATO country. We don’t owe them the lives of millions of Americans
Well Biden sure gave Putin enough cash by shutting down all the oil pipelines,today he can open all pipelines ,production and wells,drive down the price of oil and hurt Putin in the pocket book,Biden is the cause of all the wreckage
Other than Milwaukee (where some of my relatives live) I’m cool with your list. And if I can prod Putin to keep the yield down, then I’m cool with Milwaukee too, since they live about 20 miles out from the center.
I think Hunter Biden should go in on the first wave due to his familiarity with Ukraine,he knows where all the money is buried
“Never heard of a proxy war?”
Sure I have.
Imagine Mexico trying to take Arizona, or California for that matter, being flooded with Russian weapons and encouragement to go, go go, after a pro-American Mexican government had been overthrown and replaced with a pro-Russian one.
Would you consider that a “proxy war”?
Dear Evelyn N. Farkas, the answer is no! Go fark yourself.
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