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Desperate battle to flee Kyiv: Thousands fight to get on trains out of capital as 15,000 Russian troops and 40-mile convoy close in on Ukraine capital after Putin warned them 'leave or DIE' – with UN saying scores of civilians are dead
Daily Mail ^ | March 1st, 2022 | By Chris Jewers

Posted on 03/01/2022 9:39:02 PM PST by Mariner

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To: dfwgator

The details don’t really matter. The point is a conquered country CAN be held.


41 posted on 03/01/2022 10:56:09 PM PST by Owen
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To: Karl Spooner

That’s why I don’t think we will ever use Nukes, there are plenty of other weapons that can achieve the same result without fallout.


42 posted on 03/01/2022 10:56:46 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Putin can order 15,000 Russian troops into Kyiv but how many will leave the city alive?”

We have a winner!


43 posted on 03/01/2022 11:02:28 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: Karl Spooner

It’s time for some of the NWO Freepers to realize that eastern Ukraine has absolutely been lost by the Biden Regime. Those Uniparty #NeverTrump hacks in our midst might want to think about voting for President Trump next time.

At least now America can focus on the real enemy, China.


44 posted on 03/01/2022 11:02:45 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Welcome to leftist Planet Lab Cage where are YOU are the rat)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Sorry. I meant they have finally decided to defend Taiwan even though they have lost the Ukraine.

My bad. I drank two beers this evening and now it’s bedtime.


45 posted on 03/01/2022 11:05:19 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Welcome to leftist Planet Lab Cage where are YOU are the rat)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Massive rocket barrages sufficient to cause capitulation isn’t gonna be very good for that infrastructure.

If “the west” is worthy of survival, it will intercede if massive civilian casualties occur. Heck, the Russian populace may intercede if massive civilian casualties occur.


46 posted on 03/01/2022 11:15:10 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Yes, the cruise started in Istanbul and 2 weeks later ended in Rome.
We also visited Athens, Santorini, Kusadasi Turkey(for ancient Ephesus), Rhodes, and Sorrento Italy.
It is disgusting that they are converting St Agatha’s in Istanbul into a mosque.


47 posted on 03/01/2022 11:16:56 PM PST by chronicles
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To: dfwgator

Very true my friend. The Ukraine is going to fall and from what I have been observing it looks like the Russians are using the same strategy we used when we expelled Saddam Hussein’s army from Kuwait.

They want the civilians to flee and get out of there which is advantageous for them. Those who want to stay when the Russians secure it will come back. Those who are separatists will leave or get killed.

They are using a variety of their high tech weapons systems effectively and getting the results they want. They are now using thermobaric rockets, rocket artillery, EW munitions and now they are engaging with their lower end hypersonic Kaliber missiles which will drive people out of there faster. Steve Turley reported on this tonight.

I doubt we will get it back but I believe their advance will stop at the Ukraine so they can totally control the resources and the Black Sea. They will be very happy with that result.


48 posted on 03/01/2022 11:20:03 PM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Paul R.
"If “the west” is worthy of survival, it will intercede if massive civilian casualties occur."

Sadly, the Biden Regime only knows how to conduct lawfare on its own citizens but is clueless in waging warfare against foreigners. Anyone that pins their hopes on this clueless regime is destined for disappointment.

49 posted on 03/01/2022 11:22:57 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Welcome to leftist Planet Lab Cage where are YOU are the rat)
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To: chronicles

My mistake, it was St Sophia in Istanbul.
It started out as a cathedral, then the muslims converted it into a mosque, then it became a museum, now back to a mosque.
Also known as Hagia Sophia.


50 posted on 03/01/2022 11:23:36 PM PST by chronicles
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To: wildcard_redneck

Someone in the Navy wants the Chinese to think long and hard about invading Taiwan - or at least someone in the government wants to generate the appearance that the US will not tolerate an invasion of Taiwan.

Because as bad as a war in the Ukraine is, it’s none of our damn business - and if the Chinese take Taiwan, we’re f**ked due to our dependence on Taiwan for high tech. It will take years even at war priority construction plan speeds to replicate the tech facilities and production that we would lose to the Chinese.


51 posted on 03/01/2022 11:24:32 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Karl Spooner; dfwgator

You are so right about that. These weapons are terrifying and it is evident that they have developed a Electronic Warfare (EW) round for this system to work in tandem with this system to jam enemy countermeasures, jamming and sensors. Check this video out on the BM-30 Smerch Rocket system equipped with the 122-mm Tornado rocket. The rate and volume of fire this system can produce is simply overwhelming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPW8D2d2AiE


52 posted on 03/01/2022 11:29:12 PM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Mariner

Problem: All MSM media and WH govt elected by fraud are hating Russia now. All of them.

Why?

They are all in unison. Propaganda abounds.

Why?

They are not to be trusted; not anything they say. They support dictatorships, slavery, one world government. They have force masks and shots and lockdowns and illegal CDC mandates. Ukraine companies are many of those who pay much money to Mr. Biden and his family, the usurper of the election, Mr. Biden.

So I must think that there is a good reason, a good reason for most of the world, that Mr. Putin is doing this. Even if it is a bad reason, I think I will now support this invasion.

Thank you, Norski


53 posted on 03/01/2022 11:31:34 PM PST by Norski
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To: Norski

Why?

Because they think Putin is single-handedly responsible for Hillary losing in 2016.


54 posted on 03/01/2022 11:35:10 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Mariner

“When the owners fight, their slaves suffer.” - Ukrainian saying


55 posted on 03/01/2022 11:35:45 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: wildcard_redneck

I fear the worst and Kiev may well be leveled when its over. Ghosts will be what is left. The Ukrainians are not ten feet tall nor are the Russians. If Russians lose—they will just nuke the cities when they leave—let Europeans and Americans rebuild and take care of the radiation burns.


56 posted on 03/01/2022 11:36:31 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

More likely it will play out like Georgia in 2005......

And oh by the way, the “hero” of the NeoCons was a wimp when it came to Putin.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/george-w-bush-was-tough-on-russia-give-me-a-break/


57 posted on 03/01/2022 11:38:15 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Thinking that there must be more than that, surely.

What if they want to take Russia down for money? Oil, fertilizer?

Soros shorting the Ruble now maybe because Putin threw him out?


58 posted on 03/01/2022 11:40:05 PM PST by Norski
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To: dfwgator

The age-old desire for a warm-water port? Hmm.

Thank you for kicking thinking part of brain loose. Was stuck for a few days.

Now, to again follow the money.


59 posted on 03/01/2022 11:42:32 PM PST by Norski
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To: Mariner

Is that the 40 mile long convoy that has apparently come to a halt as the vehicles are running out of fuel?


60 posted on 03/01/2022 11:47:55 PM PST by qaz123
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