Posted on 12/03/2022 4:59:47 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Edited on 12/03/2022 7:07:49 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
And the retarded look isn’t good on you either, but I can’t
do anything about it.
It takes Jim Robinson himself to give this the proper context.
That is the important context, however unpleasant to some.
Retarded look?
Hmmmm. Nice.
And, you can show your ‘intelligence’, with your juvenile insults.
You be you.
Again....for the last time ...glad you are back on the Trump track. ;^}
Agree.
Unreal, how some are not grasping that.
Jim: The men who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence were not posting a comment on social media. They were not indulging in a dorm room B.S. session about natural rights, and the implications if an established government persisted in violating them.
The men who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence were declaring their unalterable intention of not just forcibly seeking a redress of grievances, but of establishing, by force of arms, a completely new government to govern their affairs. There was no ambiguity in the ultimate paragraph:
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved;
Are you declaring that you are Absolved from all Allegiance to the United States? Do you believe Trump is doing so when he posts A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution ?
The men who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence did not list the acts of tyranny of George III, and then conclude by stating that those acts "allowed" them to be absolved of their allegiance to the crown, and Britain, without actually doing so, in an attempt to be able to deny the obvious implications of their words.
There are examples in history of bringing about reform by working within systems, even even systems the reformers believed to be operating outside of their constitutional boundaries, and/or marred by election fraud. There are examples in history of reform brought about by raising the flag of rebellion, and taking the case for reform to the highest court of appeals -- the battlefield. But I cannot offhand think of a case where a politician succeeded electorally within the system by declaring that his circumstances allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
“ And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Jefferson…a Founding Father and one of the significant authors of the Constitution that is now in such discussion here.
The Constitution HAS been abrogated and is already non-functioning, having been rendered so by a a political faction that effectively took control of the government via a lawfare coup d’etat. After doing so, they proceeded to prove it by again manipulating and engaging in fraud in the succeeding election.
The Constitution is already non-functional. It is not guiding the administration, the separation of powers has been bludgeoned non-sensical at this point. And even in the point that led to this discussion, the First Amendment has been openly strangled by the government of United States for the purpose of ensuring that elections would not threaten their hold on governmental power.
This discussion about whether Trump is calling for a suspension of the Constitution is pedantic at best, and more to the point, utterly ridiculous. The Constitution no longer exists as a governing document as it was openly abrogated - trashed - many times over by the current ruling junta. If we are worried about the Constitution we should be concerned with how it will be RESTORED. And that will require the forcible removal of the current government that burned it to the ground. And THAT will require extra-Constitutional means. (Such as described in the opening quotation).
Exactly.
He is saying “screw the constitution because I was a victim.”
How can someone who doesn’t understand the constitution be in a position to uphold it.
Now of course someone’s gonna chime in, “duh, Obama ignored the constitution, Biden ignored the constitution.” That’s like getting caught doing something wrong as a kid and telling your parents, “well, my friend Johnny did it.”
I was never off the Trump train Jane. You had to see it that
way to save face, and you’re still acting like a child on
the matter now.
I called you on your asinine claim that day, and I’m still of
a mind to do it today.
When you say welcome back to the Trump Train, all you’re
doing is reminding me that you don’t have the tools to
grasp the issue then or now.
The issue was if Trump should have jumped in on the election
fraud issue three days after the election, and I said no.
There are two possibilities there.
One would be that I don’t support Trump, and the other
would be that I do, but didn’t think his objection would
gain traction at that time.
I didn’t say that it would never again be a good time for
him to address it.
It almost seems as if you are illiterate.
I had a higher opinion of you than this, but it doesn’t
matter. I just want the record to reflect that I disagree
with your effort to smear me. I’m willing to explain why,
and I’m willing to watch you make a fool of yourself on
the matter for this length of time.
You try to judge me when the whole forum speculates a what teenage girls you would "hit?" Sod off Laz, you hypocritical d-bad.
Well, that’s it. That is officially the stupidest post I have ever read. Why are ignorant, disgusting people like you permitted to even breathe? Maybe the Chinese do have it right: Mass genocide of your kind is the way to go.
It is unpleasant truth.
The Left has determined that they can twist, fold, bend, spindle, and mutilate the Constitution, and there are not going to be any ramifications.
When a large proportion of the country not only fails to recognize the limits imposed by the Constitution, and there are no ramifications, we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic.
We agree as Americans to be governed under this Constitution if two conditions are met.
First, everyone should be governed by the same laws and Constitutional guidelines and be required to observe them.
Second, we should be able to choose who governs us.
Those two things constitute a sacred covenant.
And they are not being met. They have not been for some time.
Trump is exactly right on this. People just cannot face the truth.
Nevertheless, it is still the order under which we live. Even if the Constitution were as irrelevant as you seem to believe it is, we should still live as if it weren’t. The framers of this system did not govern themselves as if the Articles of Confederation were null and void while they were framing this government.... they also had the foresight to insert remedies if this sytem should fail... we haven’t even approached those yet... that is amendment and/or constitutional convention...
When Trump says “even those found in the Constitution,” he’s speaking of the 12th amendment counting of Electoral College votes. He suggesting that if the election was based on fraud, then the 12th amendment legally counted fraudulent Electoral College votes and should be set aside.
I’m not endorsing his argument, but he’s clearly not suggesting that the Constitution be terminated.
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If we start “setting aside” amendments, where does it stop? Who decides which amendments are set aside? There is a legal process to modify the amendments, but that’s it.
I had a higher opinion of you, as well. Before your fateful anti-Trump, and, juvenile insults posts.
Maybe it was just an...um...off night, for you.
(Again...glad you’re back on the Trump supporting track, and, off of your ‘he’ll never gain traction’/merry band of NeverTrumpers take.)
The fact that you are now attempting to cover, er, write so much, to justify, is telling.
You take care, D1.
I forgot, some here have watch this country go into nosedive, criminal subversion, economic and political sabotage in every direction, as people like you compare it to children tattling on each other. Brilliant.
I think Trump is calling for the dissolution of the government and to hold new elections. Extraordinary actions would have to be taken to do that in order to execute a fair election; the kind of actions that many people would find unsettling. It won’t happen of course.
Why to leftist Freepers always use over-the-top patriotic handles like “golden eagle?” Is it to provide camouflage cover for their leftist rants and pretzel logic? Why didn’t you like a handle like “Freedom Boner” or “Patriot Prick?” The words of President Trump are clear and the only evil in them are what you and your leftist fellow travelers project into them. Disgusting.
I’ve noted that as well. I would guess it’s so no one would question their comments/motives. Fail!
The Left has determined that they can twist, fold, bend, spindle, and mutilate the Constitution, and there are not going to be any ramifications.
Indeed.....thanks to the dumbing down of our citizens (thank you, public indoctrination stations/schools....that the left has succeeded in taking over)....and, the fact that these mind-numbed leftists are just fine with ‘no ramifications’....as long as their side “wins”.
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