Posted on 12/25/2022 7:34:11 AM PST by Salohcin
You can’t counter his position so you bring up a non sequitur argument? I do believe that exposes the weakness of your own position.
To me they are all the same, Biden, Putin, “Z”, Xi.....
No, Pooty Poot, you are doing a fine job of that yourself
All the way to the founding of Moscow in AD 1147 (never mind that Kyiv was founded in AD 482).
Putin approves new foreign policy doctrine based on 'Russian World'
Vladimir Putin backs foreign policy doctrine to 'protect ideals of Russian World'
And yes, that includes Alaska...
'Alaska Is Ours!' Billboards Appear in Russia After Threat to Reclaim State
Conservatives are a little leery of getting into a hot war with a nuclear armed Russia.
Conservatives know that our real enemy is the CCP in China and they also know that we will need Russia’s help in a face off with China. All this stupid neocon war did was push Russia into the arms of the CCP. Only a geopolitical IDIOT would deliberately do that. The USA has zero interest in the Ukraine, none, zip, zero. Yeah sorry for the people but not our dog, not our fight. Only short sighted fools back our involvement in the Ukraine.
Putin isn’t Hitler by a longshot.
He’s more like an Erdogan on Steroids of course Obama tried to overthrow the Turkish President in 2016 but Putin warned him what was coming down.
I admire Mr. Erdogan he lowers interest rates and makes sure it happens by firing finance ministers and central bank chiefs until they comply.
That’s a baseball bat to Big Banking.
Getting back to Putin it wasn’t Putin’s fault that Bill Clinton decided in 1997 to move NATO eastwards.
You have to wonder if Clinton made this decision with his pants up or down but whatever the eastwards expansion agenda for NATO started this ball rolling.
That led to the Maidan Coup overthrowing the Pro-Russian government in Ukraine in 2014.
That created the stage for where we are today people dying on the battlefield in Ukraine.
“Russia should be occupied and partitioned the way we did with Germany after WW2”
Yep, that does seem the goal. But if we wanted to do that, perhaps we, and especially Europe, should have built up our militaries for the task, and also worked to convince other countries that the break up of Russia was a good thing.
Because all that will now happen is that we’ll get defeated, either by conventional weapons alone or with nuclear weapons (our choice), because we DID NOT do the above, and that’s one of my problems with this war. My other problem is what becomes of the world if the Globalists are able to take it over really start doing what they are talking about (depopulation, pushing people into cities, bugs, government control of thermostats, etc.).
I think it is time for all of you pushing for war with Russia to enlist in the US Army. Don’t be a hypocrite, put your own butts on the line.
Newsflash: Russia has not been the U.S.’s friend or ally since December 31, 1999, and never will be.
This is another one who brings nothing constructive to the site. She badgers and nags FReepers, makes snippy little comments and is only here to disrupt.
That is so very true.
“...retreating from Ukraine would make no difference.”
I disagree. Russia withdrawing completely from all of Ukraine would make a hell of a lot of difference, as long as Russia ceases hostilities.
Because you are then forced to admit that the proxy war is what was wanted all along, and for that proxy war to be waged in Ukraine. A proxy war was not something that Putin wanted.
So, please spare us your crocodile tears. Soon enough you may be shedding real tears when the conflict expands to a bigger reality, and you become personally impacted.
It's a dangerous game, and all that is oblivious to you Zelenskyy cheerleaders. What you should be doing is demanding an end to this conflict. Asking Putin to withdraw is not the same thing, because he will not do that. What he will do, is what we have seen him doing, intensifying the level & frequency of attacks.
“He’s just stating what’s already being stated in Western publications.”
Link please,
From the Ukrainian press:
From the United States government:
https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/events/decolonizing-russia
It really doesn’t take very long to search the internet to see that yes, indeed, the West has intentions of breaking Russia into smaller pieces.
I didn’t believe it at first and then did some research. The powers that be are quite open about it. Not that I support war, but this gives some context.
There were no claims that the voting was unfair, and the newly-independent Ukraine was congratulated and recognized - within those same borders - by both Yeltsin, the head of the RSSR, and by Gorbachev of the USSR.
The inviolability of Ukraine's independence and within those same borders was expressly recognized by Russia again in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum.
Basically Putin wants to unwind his own country's prior legal actions and get a do-over so he can conquer a neighboring country. That's about as illegitimate as it gets.
Your logic doesn’t follow. The Democrats and the Left didn’t start this war, Russia did. You are correct, however, that Putin didn’t expect the West to support Ukraine. He was hoping that they would roll over just as Chamberlain did with Czechoslovakia.
“Link please”
Here you go. Let me know if you have other questions:
Putin is thinking Catherine the Great, who was German by the way, conquered Ukraine; so, Ukraine is part of Russia.
In such manner, Argentina says the Pope drew a line and the Falkland Islands were on our side of that line.
This kind of thinking isn’t American. Americans think government rests on the consent of the governed.
To be sure, this consent of the governed thing is tricky. You can never get unanimity. And, each person being a government by himself doesn’t work. So, as a practical matter, the consent of the governed involves identifying groups of people and the places they are associated with. There’s room for disagreement about these things. But not with Putin.
We are now in a war in which Ukraine is proving on the battlefield that it doesn’t want to be part of Russia. Putin thinks this is because the Ukrainians have been brainwashed by the Nazi west. Therefore, the people of Ukraine have no say in the matter.
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